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yaoyao98

KeelyNet File MEYER1.ASC
Excerpts from: [SIZE=+1]Electronics World & Wireless World[/SIZE]

Eye-witness accounts suggest that US inventor Stanley Meyer has developed an electric cell which will split ordinary tap water into hydrogen and oxygen with far less energy than that required by a normal electrolytic cell.
In a demonstration made before Professor Michael Laughton, Dean of Engineering at Mary College, London, Admiral Sir Anthony Griffin, a former controller of the British Navy, and Dr Keith Hindley, a UK research chemist. Meyer's cell, developed at the inventor's home in Grove City, Ohio, produced far more hydrogen/oxygen mixture than could have been expected by simple electrolysis.
Where normal water electrolysis requires the passage of current measured in amps, Meyer's cell achieves the same effect in milliamps. Furthermore, ordinary tap water requires the addition of an electrolyte such as sulphuric acid to aid current conduction; Meyer's cell functions at greatest efficiency with pure water.
According to the witnesses, the most startling aspect of the Meyer cell was that it remained cold, even after hours of gas production.
Meyer's experiments, which he seems to be able to perform to order, have earned him a series of US patents granted under Section 101. The granting of a patent under this section is dependent on a successful demonstration of the invention to a Patent Review Board.
Meyer's cell seems to have many of the attributes of an electrolytic cell except that it functions at high voltage, low current rather than the other way around. Construction is unremarkable. The electrodes --- referred to as "excitors" by Meyer --- are made from parallel plates of stainless steel formed in either flat or concentric topography. Gas production seems to vary as the inverse of the distance between them; the patents suggest a spacing of 1.5 mm produces satisfactory results.
The real differences occur in the power supply to the cell. Meyer uses an external inductance which appears to resonate with the capacitance of the cell --- pure water apparently possesses a dielectric constant of about 5 --- to produce a parallel resonant circuit. This is excited by a high power pulse generator which, together with the cell capacitance and a rectifier diode, forms a charge pump circuit. High frequency pulses build a rising staircase DC potential across the electrodes of the cell until a point is reached where the water breaks down and a momentary high current flows. A current measuring circuit in the supply detects this breakdown and removes the pulse drive for a few cycles allowing the water to "recover".
Research chemist Keith Hindley offers this description of a Meyer cell demonstration: "After a day of presentations, the Griffin committee witnessed a number of important demonstration of the WFC" (water fuel cell as named by the inventor).
A witness team of independent UK scientifc observers testified that US inventor Stanley Meyer successfully decomposed ordinary tap water into constituent elements through a combination of high, pulsed voltage using an average current measured only in milliamps. Reported gas evolution was enough to sustain a hydrogen /oxygen flame which instantly melted steel.
In contrast with normal high current electrolysis, the witnesses report the lack of any heating within the cell. Meyer declines to release details which would allow scientists to duplicate and evaluate his "water fuel cell". However, he has supplied enough detail to the US Patent Office to persuade them that he can substantiate his 'power-from-water' claims.
One demonstration cell was fitted with two parallel plate "excitors". Using tap water to fill the cell, the plates generated gas at very low current levels --- no greater than a tenth of an amp on the ammeter, and claimed to be milliamps by Meyer --- and this gas production increased steadily as the plates were moved closer together and decreased as they were separated. The DC voltage appeared to be pulsed at tens of thousands of volts.
A second cell carried nine stainless steel double tube cell units and generated much more gas. A sequence of photographs was taken showing gas production at milliamp levels. When the voltage was turned up to its peak value, the gas then poured off at a very impressive level.
"We did notice that the water at the top of the cell slowly became discolored with a pale cream and dark brown precipitate, almost certainly the effects of the chlorine in the heavily chlorinated tap water on the stainless steel tubes used as "excitors".
He was demonstrating hydrogen gas production at milliamp and kilovolt levels.
"The most remarkable observation is that the WFC and all its metal pipework remained quite cold to the touch, even after more than twenty minutes of operation. The splitting mechanism clearly evolves little heat in sharp contrast to electrolysis where the electrolyte warms up quickly."
"The results appear to suggest efficient and controllable gas production that responds rapidly to demand and yet is safe in operation. We clearly saw how increasing and decreasing the voltage is used to control gas production. We saw how gas generation ceased and then began again instantly as the voltage driving circuit was switched off and then on again."
"After hours of discussion between ourselves, we concluded that Stan Meyer did appear to have discovered an entirely new method for splitting water which showed few of the characteristics of classical electrolysis. Confirmation that his devices actually do work come from his collection of granted US patents on various parts of the WFC system. Since they were granted under Section 101 by the US Patent Office, the hardware involved in the patents has been examined experimentally by US Patent Office experts and their seconded experts and all the claims have been established."
"The basic WFC was subjected to three years of testing. This raises the granted patents to the level of independent, critical, scientific and engineering confirmation that the devices actually perform as claimed."
The practical demonstration of the Meyer cell appears substantially more convincing than the para-scientific jargon which has been used to explain it. The inventor himself talks about a distortion and polarization of the water molecule resulting in the H:OH bonding tearing itself apart under the electrostatic potential gradient, of a resonance within the molecule which amplifies the effect.
Apart from the copious hydrogen/oxygen gas evolution and the minimal temperature rise within the cell, witnesses also report that water within the cell disappears rapidly, presumably into its component parts and as an aerosol from the myriad of tiny bubbles breaking the surface of the cell.
Meyer claims to have run a converted VW on hydrogen/oxygen mixture for the last four years using a chain of six cylindrical cells. He also claims that photon stimulation of the reactor space by optical fibre piped laser light increases gas production. The inventor is a protegee' of the Advanced Energy Institute.

superscaper

The US Patent Office is well known for being completely flawed in allowing pretty much almost anything to be patented, including numerous perpetual motion devices (which this is because it violates the laws of thermodynamics/physics). The fact it is patented proves nothing (scientifically) and doesn't actually mean it does what it says or that it really does work.

Having just looked it up, it's interesting that you didn't note that it was shown to be a hoax 12 years ago!!! http://groups.google.com/group/sci.energy.hydrogen/msg/8ee0acb80e943e21?hl=endc310437cd1cee1e7&

He was found guilty of fraud and he's been dead for ten years now. Hardly convincing.

yaoyao98

[SIZE=+1]"The Birth of New Technology: The Hydrogen Fracturing Process & Related Water Fuel Cell Technology"[/SIZE]
by Marcia Thompson





The purpose of establishing the Hydrogen Fracturing technology which ahs been developed is to use energy from the atom to produce a system which would lend itself to mass production. Meyer is now in the process of integrating the Electrical Polarization Generator (EPG) into the Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The Electrical Polarization Generator is in essence a gas battery which produces electric energy directly from the fuel cell gases without chemical interaction. The significance of the voltage is that it is a potential energy source, not consumed energy. The most significant point is that the influence of voltage has a phenomenal effect on the splitting of the water molecule and does it in a controlled state. Voltage from the Electrical Polarization Generator separates the water molecule economically by not consuming power. It's a new technology --- bringing the water molecule from a liquid to gas ionization state, which in turn sets up the Hydrogen Fracturing Process of destabilization of the gas atoms to release their atomic energy. The process consumes very little power to accomplish this task.
The Voltage Intensifier Circuit (VIC) patent development had to be fully developed to bring on the voltage phenomenon where very low energy is being consumed.
In conjunction with this development, a new Electron Grid Extractor Circuit (EGEC) has been fully developed to extend the operability of the Hydrogen Gas Gun technology, which sets up the hydrogen fracturing process. The Voltage Intensifier Circuit patent development and Electron Grid Extraction Circuit had to be fully developed to bring on the voltage phenomenon where very low energy is being consumed.
What is this Hydrogen Fracturing Process? Since the Water Fuel Cell (WFC) dissociates the water molecule by the stimulation of voltage, this voltage technology has now been applied to the Fuel Cell gas atoms to release their atomic energy. Meyer discovered that not only can the water molecule be split into its component parts, but it is also possible to separate the atoms of gases into their component parts by the same voltage stimulation, releasing a tremendous amount of thermal explosive energy from the atom under a controlled state. Under this process, preliminary tests show that energy yields from one gallon of water are predicted to equal that of 44,000 to 108,000 barrels of oil. The Hydrogen Fracturing Process is environmentally safe since the gas atoms are split into their component parts, releasing explosive thermal energy from the gas atom. The nucleus remains intact.
In conjunction to the Hydrogen Fracturing Process of the Water Fuel Cell technology, Meyer is now working out systems mechanics of retrofitting the EPG system to the entire Water Fuel Cell system. The entire systems mechanics are now being integrated together into a package system which, when miniaturized, will lend itself to production. All of these previous steps have been necessary to ensure the system lends itself to the economics of mass production with costs held down.
Beyond the Electrical Particle Generator (EPG) system, which utilizes a magnetized gas to produce electrical energy, work is continuing on the Electrical Polarization Generator to optimize its operational performance, which is also required for mass production. The EPG system is now being prepared for design interfacing with the existing WFC technology.
To reach the maximum operational effect of the EPG system, several types of magnetized gases are being developed and tested. Meyer is also developing the technology to enhance the electromagnetic deflection of the gas to optimize the EPG system still further. This development phase is now being considered for systems economics with regard to manufacturing techniques.
What does the Hydrogen Fracturing Process (HFP) really do for the system? It destabilizes the mass and electrical equilibrium of the gas atoms, bringing them into a critical state for energy utilization.
The electronics control system determines systems operation and efficiency and is part of the HFP. It complies with both US and foreign patent requirements. It establishes electric circuit interfacing for the operability and efficiency of the HFP. In mass production, it will be reduced to a small, simple circuit component. The control system triggers the HFP and maintains control of it. The Hydrogen Gas Injector Fuel Cell (HGIFC) is composed of resonant cavities (lower section) in a vertical array which splits water molecules into component parts by stimulation of a high pulse voltage frequency, setting up the resonant action. The liberated hydrogen and oxygen atoms and ambient air gases are stimulated from a liquid to gas ionization state prior to entering the Hydrogen Gas Gun (HGG), located on top of the resonant cavities. Gases are then allowed to go into the Hydrogen Fracturing Process. The thrust nozzle, located at the very top of the system, is an optical thermal lens affixed to the unit which triggers and sustains the Hydrogen Fracturing Process as to the flow rate of fuel cell gases. In mass production, the whole unit forms the Gas Injector Fuel Cell (GIFC). The complete unit will be reduced to a small, extremely light-weight unit. The Hydrogen Fracturing Process is completely environmentally safe. There are no radioactive materials used in the process, and it applies to all EPA standards, plus safety, housing and highway codes…

superscaper

yaoyao98 wrote: »

Meyer is now in the process of integrating the Electrical Polarization Generator (EPG) into the Hydrogen Fracturing Process.

Is he doing it from the grave? At least write current rubbish.

sovereignvids

I have followed the progress of this type of technologies for sometime now and the most recent news I have come across, is countries like Japan and Korean have produced a fully working prototype car using only water to power the vehicles. The US government are working on the same line for the army vehicles. And only last week (July 08) on our local TV news station, a company in Kent are fitting this very same system to commercial vehicles for £1000,s..... need I say more.

Yet again, this country will be left behind wishing we had done this ourselves.
Gordon Brown will not like this either, losing all that Tax revenue when it gets going on the market. I'm sure he will find away to tax this one soon.

sovereignvids

I have just seen on my local TV news station that a company are selling and installing this very system to large truck companies for £1000s each and seeing good returns on the investment, turning 8mpg to 12mpg per vehicle (a 50% saving). I would say this speaks volumes as it was on the TV news..

Pew_Pew_Pew_Lasers!

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should lower the duty on it.

I'd say you're talking from your gluteous maximus, which is an even more amazing feat of physics than all this water balls.

PEAB_2

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should improve Public transport.

Do NOT buy any of the HHO fuel cells - they are a total waste of money.

The claims for Stanley Meyer's HHO fuel cell technology are ALL lies. Stanley Meyer was successfully prosecuted in the USA for fraud over this so called invention over a 12 years ago. He is no longer alive. If you want to know more about him and his fraud look him up in Wikipedia.

aloiseb

That'll be useful for the US government next time they invade a desert country, won't it?

PEAB_2

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should improve Public transport.

>And only last week (July 08) on our local TV news station, a company in Kent are fitting this very same system to commercial vehicles for £1000,s..... need I say more.

Yes, you do need to say more. Vague claims without proper substantiation mean that your claims are without value. As it is this whole cottage industry is a simple scam. Provide hard evidence that has independant accreditation and I will believe it. Meantime I consider ALL the claims to be simple lies.