Water4Petrol Water4cars -Scam or Miracle?

sovereignvids

Hydrogen will be the next generation fuel source, give it 5 - 10 years and I'm sure it will be common place in most forms of transport especially as no harmful gases come on of the exhaust. After all, we don't have must more in the way of oil stored underground. So hybrids must be the way forward . It don't take much research on the internet of many car manufacturers that they are spending million on this.

PEAB_2

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should improve Public transport.

I have now complained to the UK's Advertising Standards Authority.

superscaper

sovereignvids wrote: »

Hydrogen will be the next generation fuel source, give it 5 - 10 years and I'm sure it will be common place in most forms of transport especially as no harmful gases come on of the exhaust. After all, we don't have must more in the way of oil stored underground. So hybrids must be the way forward . It don't take much research on the internet of many car manufacturers that they are spending million on this.

Now you're talking about hybrids, which again is absolutely nothing to do with the HHO combustion scams this thread was started on.

PEAB_2

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should improve Public transport.

sovereignvids wrote: »

Hydrogen will be the next generation fuel source, give it 5 - 10 years and I'm sure it will be common place in most forms of transport especially as no harmful gases come on of the exhaust. After all, we don't have must more in the way of oil stored underground. So hybrids must be the way forward . It don't take much research on the internet of many car manufacturers that they are spending million on this.

I have no doubt that hydrogen as used in real fuel cells will most probably grow in importance. But please, please be clear that hydrogen fuel cells have NOTHING to do with HHO fuel cell systems. The technology is totally different. If you do not understand the difference, please do your own homework on the subject and please do not muddy the waters here.

The fraudulent claims for massive fuel savings made by the vendors of HHO fuel cell systems are the problem and they should be stopped.

sovereignvids

http://www.myhydrogen.co.uk/index.php
http://www.itm-power.com/

I don't think these are scams

PEAB_2

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should improve Public transport.

sovereignvids wrote: »

http://www.myhydrogen.co.uk/index.php
http://www.itm-power.com/

I don't think these are scams

I believe the first is a scam.

I cannot believe you have cited the second. Don't you ever bother to look at links you before you provide them? The second link is about a hydrogen powered electric car. It is NOT about a car powered by an HHO fuel cell. How many more times must we point out to you the differences between HHO and hydrogen fuel cells?

superscaper

sovereignvids, why not actually READ the posts we've made rather than quickly glancing at them and actually READ the links you post BEFORE you post them.

If there was a thread on cutting your gas bill would you post links about energy saving light bulbs? That's the equivalent to what you're doing. Stop just throwing in any link that contains the word "hydrogen" assuming it'll all be the same thing.

I'm not sure how much simpler it needs to be before you actually understand it:

HHO/Meyer/adding kits to your petrol car = combustion and claims of scientifically impossible energy creation

Hydrogen fuel cell = an ELECTRIC battery, in ELECTRIC cars used to drive ELECTRIC MOTORS and doesn't contravene the laws of physics.

You CANNOT add a hydrogen fuel cell to your car, unless you turn it into an ELECTRIC car. It is just a BATTERY.

Cardelia

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should lower the duty on it.

sovereignvids wrote: »

Hydrogen will be the next generation fuel source, give it 5 - 10 years and I'm sure it will be common place in most forms of transport especially as no harmful gases come on of the exhaust.

Well, apart from water vapour. Which, as I'm sure you're aware, is a greenhouse gas.

If hydrogen cars do become commonplace over the next few years, does anyone have any idea what would happen to the earth's climate by dumping all that water vapour into the atmosphere? Not just in terms of warming/cooling, but increased/decreased rainfall, cloud cover etc.

superscaper

Cardelia wrote: »

Well, apart from water vapour. Which, as I'm sure you're aware, is a greenhouse gas.

If hydrogen cars do become commonplace over the next few years, does anyone have any idea what would happen to the earth's climate by dumping all that water vapour into the atmosphere? Not just in terms of warming/cooling, but increased/decreased rainfall, cloud cover etc.

It's a valid point and is definitely being looked into. But I think the relative effects are quite different in terms of greenhouse. Water vapour only lingers for days in the atmosphere whereas CO2 lingers for about a century so even with the same equivalent emission amounts it's going to be far far less of a cumulative effect. Not too sure about how it'll affect the water cycle though in terms of rainfall etc, interesting question. (Would you really notice in the UK anyway? )

PEAB_2

Yes, it's too expensive and the government should improve Public transport.

Cardelia wrote: »

Well, apart from water vapour. Which, as I'm sure you're aware, is a greenhouse gas.

If hydrogen cars do become commonplace over the next few years, does anyone have any idea what would happen to the earth's climate by dumping all that water vapour into the atmosphere? Not just in terms of warming/cooling, but increased/decreased rainfall, cloud cover etc.

All very interesting but what are you suggesting? Are you suggesting that the world should stop using transport systems? I believe we must assume that modern transport systems will continue to be used for the forseeable future. Assuming that to be the case, it's no use whining about water vapour but instead seriously considering what the world can do to minimise the use of energy of all sorts.

For example: We allow truckers to drive 40 tonners up and down our motorways whilst consuming as much as 1 litre of fuel every mile. So from London to Glasgow approx 400 litres. If that was prohibited and we forced the large loads onto the railways we'd save enormous amount of fuel. We would also save the country a fortune in motorway maintenance costs.

Another example: What has the government done to ensure that all houses are properly insulated? In truth precious little. The grants that are offered are too difficult to get and are stupidly restrictive. For example if you have some loft insulation, you only get a decent grant if you remove the existing insulation and start all over again. Now that is idiotic. Why not just add to what is already there?