EV pay per mile - disabled drivers

Grey_Critic

People are forgetting that at some point the only vehicles on the road will be Electric - This is not a bright idea of fixing the revenue stream it will happen. 

You will pay to drive a vehicle on the road. I suggested before buy a bike but they too will eventually be taxed. 

Bonniepurple

Grey_Critic said:

People are forgetting that at some point the only vehicles on the road will be Electric - This is not a bright idea of fixing the revenue stream it will happen. 

You will pay to drive a vehicle on the road. I suggested before buy a bike but they too will eventually be taxed. 

Totally agree.  The tax that comes from petrol and diesel sales will have to be replaced somehow. It could be that all taxes are raised massively (not going to happen) or that services are reduced hugely (highly unlikely to happen), but it’s more likely that the end user/polluter pays.  That’s likely to be per mile (in effect same as now-the more you drive the more fuel you use therefore the more tax you pay) but there could be other options.

In terms of disability, I am not currently considered disabled “enough” to be exempt from VED, even though I use a wheelchair out and about.  I pay for my fuel.  I can’t walk very far so I do drive a lot-but I could (and should) use my wheelchair to pop to the local shops.  I could also use my electric bike which puts less strain on my body than walking.  

At the moment the EV WAVs don’t have enough battery capacity to make them practical for a lot of people. Hopefully that will change soon as I suspect that plugging a well sited charger in will be a lot easier than accessing a fuel pump.

Grumpy_chap

Grey_Critic said:

I suggested before buy a bike but they too will eventually be taxed. 

The solution might be to buy a battery-assisted pedal cycle or an electric scooter.  Given these are not actually legal to use, one imagines that they cannot be taxed.  Nor are there any other rules in force about their use, speed, which side of the road to drive on etc.

Bonniepurple said:

It could be that all taxes are raised massively (not going to happen) or that services are reduced hugely (highly unlikely to happen)

I applaud your optimism.

TooManyPoints

Nor are there any other rules in force about their use, speed, which side of the road to drive on etc.

Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles (EAPCs) are restricted to 250watts or powered speed of 15.5mph. E-bikes which do not comply with those restrictions and all e-scooters (but see below) are classed as motor vehicles. They must be registered, taxed, are subject to MoT and riders must hold a licence and have TP insurance. They must  also comply with Construction & Use legislation and riders are liable for prosecution for all RTA transgressions (speeding, careless driving, etc.). 

Since few non-compliant e-bikes and no e-scooters would meet C&U legislation, they are illegal for use on roads.

The exception is e-scooters rented under approved trial schemes. They are treated as motor vehicles, they need insurance coverage (arranged by the hire company) the hirer must hold a valid driving licence and, when riding, must comply with all RTA legislation. 

ThorOdinson

MouldyOldDough said:

daveincambridge said:

Toll the motorways, scrap vehicle duty, keep fuel duty (pollution) and no ppm for EVs. People appear to always be in a hurry so will take the hit on the tolls rather dawdle on the non toll roads. Subsiding the railways further would help.

But EV's pollute at least as much as ICE - during manufacture and final disposal

2025 and this nonsense is still doing the rounds.

paul_c123

Grumpy_chap said:

Grey_Critic said:

I suggested before buy a bike but they too will eventually be taxed. 

The solution might be to buy a battery-assisted pedal cycle or an electric scooter.  Given these are not actually legal to use, one imagines that they cannot be taxed.  Nor are there any other rules in force about their use, speed, which side of the road to drive on etc.

Bonniepurple said:

It could be that all taxes are raised massively (not going to happen) or that services are reduced hugely (highly unlikely to happen)

I applaud your optimism.

The problem is, if a driving licence holder is caught riding an illegal e-scooter, they will probably get done for no insurance, which will have massive cost implications elsewhere if they also have a car.

Grey_Critic

Rules will change to keep pace with technology - and government will simply add taxes. EVs have been getting something for nothing for a long time Road Fund Licence and no fuel duties. 

Now they pay the RF Licence and soon they will be paying per mile.

That's progress.

born_again

In reality. Until there is some flesh on this idea as to just how they are going to work the charging.

It is just another "Lets put this idea out there" & see what the feedback is.

Think there have been more leaks on what might/might not be this year than ever before. I'll leave it at that so as not to get political 😶‍🌫️

MattMattMattUK

In reality it does not make sense to tax EVs per mile, it would be overly complicated for little net gain. What we actually need to do is have a complete review and simplification of our tax system, remove complexity, remove loopholes, a far simpler set of allowances, rates and overall structure. We have over 23,000 pages of current tax legislation and guidance running to around eleven million words, or around 230 days of continuous reading, or if reading it as a full time job just short of three years. The legislation in Singapore, Norway or Germany numbers a few hundred pages, it can be read in a weekend, it is far simpler, it has far fewer (if any) loopholes and it makes more sense overall rather than the UK system, which only benefits tax evaders and accountants. 

There is no need to introduce a new tax for EVs, just increase fuel duty for a short term boost and in the long term use funds raised from general taxation. 

MouldyOldDough

TooManyPoints said:

Nor are there any other rules in force about their use, speed, which side of the road to drive on etc.

Electrically Assisted Pedal Cycles (EAPCs) are restricted to 250watts or powered speed of 15.5mph. E-bikes which do not comply with those restrictions and all e-scooters (but see below) are classed as motor vehicles. They must be registered, taxed, are subject to MoT and riders must hold a licence and have TP insurance. They must  also comply with Construction & Use legislation and riders are liable for prosecution for all RTA transgressions (speeding, careless driving, etc.). 

Since few non-compliant e-bikes and no e-scooters would meet C&U legislation, they are illegal for use on roads.

The exception is e-scooters rented under approved trial schemes. They are treated as motor vehicles, they need insurance coverage (arranged by the hire company) the hirer must hold a valid driving licence and, when riding, must comply with all RTA legislation. 

We have a number of e-scooter riders/drivers where we live - who shoot down the road (30 limit) at well over 40mph - what can be done about them ?
The police are clearly aware but under resourced - so cannot even provide a deterent !