Full Fibre installation - will they pull through fibre internally?

QrizB

We've got 70-something Mbit/s FTTC.

For 90% of my use I'd probably be OK with 2Mb ADSL, and 56k dialup would suffice if it wasn't for sites (like this one) adding so many bells and whistles. This site could be served adequately by a late-90s phpBB installation, I suspect!

The other 10% it the bit with video streaming, but even that would fit into a smaller pipe than my current FTTC.

I agree with those who are suggesting that the biggest winners from FTTP are the telcos who can retire all their old kit.

southsidergs

You mean the old kit that costs more to maintain? Maybe they should let people keep it & pass the extra costs onto them

forgotmyname

My line is underground not overhead with an access point near the front door. They wanted to put the socket on the otherside
of the front wall but there are no power points in the area and all my network stuff is at the rear of the property.

Been a while but the first guy came and went without doing anything stating he needed to get openreach out. It
may have been the 2nd or 3rd visit and the guy said the only option was run the cables through the house. He
was on the phone for a while and said if he declines the job it will just get shunted to another engineer until
someone does the job required.

We have 2 master sockets from the days when we had 2 unique lines into the property and they had no issues feeding
a 2nd cable to the rear so puzzled me why they could not run the fibre the same route.
I could understand if there were tight bends etc. but they didn't even try.

I do seem to get more downtime than with the previous FTTC broadband but maybe that's due to them adding more customers?
It's usually late at night where most people are asleep so I notice it more than the average customer with a 9-5 job.

flaneurs_lobster

forgotmyname said:

My line is underground not overhead with an access point near the front door. They wanted to put the socket on the otherside
of the front wall but there are no power points in the area and all my network stuff is at the rear of the property.

Been a while but the first guy came and went without doing anything stating he needed to get openreach out. It
may have been the 2nd or 3rd visit and the guy said the only option was run the cables through the house. He
was on the phone for a while and said if he declines the job it will just get shunted to another engineer until
someone does the job required.

We have 2 master sockets from the days when we had 2 unique lines into the property and they had no issues feeding
a 2nd cable to the rear so puzzled me why they could not run the fibre the same route.
I could understand if there were tight bends etc. but they didn't even try.

I do seem to get more downtime than with the previous FTTC broadband but maybe that's due to them adding more customers?
It's usually late at night where most people are asleep so I notice it more than the average customer with a 9-5 job.

Not clear, did Openreach (or their contractors) eventually run fibre to the back of your property?

SVaz

I’ve just had superfast fibre broadband with ee although it was openreach who came and installed the new line.
He took down the old phoneline at the pole, put in a new one, then ran the cable above my front window and down to an existing hole in the wall ( from an old sky cable) at my suggestion.
It’s a bit odd in that the box on the wall has to be plugged into a socket as well as the router/hub
Good job I’ve got an extension tower behind the TV!

I’ve had to go and buy a slow speed ethernet port switch for my Salus heating gateway as it can’t cope with the speed.  So cable from router into ethernet switch then another into the gateway, which means another gadget plugged in. 

I have been able to get rid of the ethernet cable from router to tv though,  it’s all wireless now. 

wongataa

SVaz said:

It’s a bit odd in that the box on the wall has to be plugged into a socket as well as the router/hub

It isn't odd at all.  The data coming over fibre is carried by light.  The fibres are optical fibres.  This light has to be detected and then converted into electrical signals your router can work with.  This requires components that need to be powered. This requires the box be plugged into the mains to get this power.

QrizB

wongataa said:

SVaz said:

It’s a bit odd in that the box on the wall has to be plugged into a socket as well as the router/hub

It isn't odd at all.

I can see how it would seem odd.

There's no technological reason for the optical-to-electrical conversion to be done by a separate box. They could have built a media converter into the router and then you'd only have one box to plug in.

No-one expects the DSL modem to be separate from the router any more, although they were in the early days of DSL.

(I can see why, administratively, it could be easier for OR to own the ONT and the ISP then provide an ethernet router that plugs into it, but that's not the only model of service provision that could have been chosen.)

iniltous

A vertically integrated provider like Virgin could do away with a separate ONT and just supply a one box ONT/router that the optical fibre plug’s into , but Openreach are forced by Ofcom to operate as a network provider only , not a network and ISP , ( FYI ,  City Fibre chose to operate in that way but they are not obligated to do so ) .

Because of the way Openreach are forced to be a network only company they need a demarcation point at which their responsibility ends, that’s the ONT ,( then name says it all optical termination termination , if the responsibility ended at the tip of a fibre cable instead of the ONT  , and the ISP provided a router with an ONT built in , thier kit would need to be logged with Openreach , that means OR is less secure with other companies components on the PON itself, and if the service is not working how do you differentiate between the problem being on the network, in which case it’s Openreach responsibility or on the router in which case it’s the ISP , and if the consumer changes ISP and mangles the optical fibre plug removing it from the old providers  router and plugging it into the new ISP router ( these are delicate and easy damage and susceptible to contamination) , who is responsible for that repair to the optics …..because of those things I’d go along with the poster that said two separate powered devices isn’t odd at all , it’s exactly what you should expect .

Eldi_Dos

wongataa said:

SVaz said:

It’s a bit odd in that the box on the wall has to be plugged into a socket as well as the router/hub

It isn't odd at all.  The data coming over fibre is carried by light.  The fibres are optical fibres.  This light has to be detected and then converted into electrical signals your router can work with.  This requires components that need to be powered. This requires the box be plugged into the mains to get this power.

The most basic set up most of come into contact with in everday life is when using a lift, you put your hand in front of detector and break the beam, the door does not close.

Inforapennyinforapound

wongataa said:

SVaz said:

It’s a bit odd in that the box on the wall has to be plugged into a socket as well as the router/hub

It isn't odd at all.  The data coming over fibre is carried by light.  The fibres are optical fibres.  This light has to be detected and then converted into electrical signals your router can work with.  This requires components that need to be powered. This requires the box be plugged into the mains to get this power.

A little off topic,but having a read of the thread got caught up in it all!  This post will be no help to anyone but I am just here to learn about FTTP..

I too am baffled,nay,bamboozled by all this ‘plugging into sockets’. Mine was done 2 yrs ago and have upgraded from 150 to 500 thingamejigs 😄..anyway my router is plugged into a socket. The fibre runs through a wall from a pole straight to the router,being plugged into the WAN socket of said router.

so,what’s all this business about needing another power socket. I only need one for the router.

I will be pleased to read comments,just to help me learn about these things. Many thanks