Full Fibre installation - will they pull through fibre internally?

brewerdave

You don't need a double socket - I've got my router and ONT connected to a single power point using a short extension cable.

Roy1234

KxMx said:

After living with a nightmare install at previous address I was not happy when I realised Full Fibre meant no advance planning.

My previous FFTC was more than adequate for my needs, but I decided to get FTTP as that's the way the technology is going. 

Unfortunately mine went a bit wrong on the day (incompetent engineer) and I had to open a complaint to get OpenReach (well, their subcontractor) back to correct things.  

I couldn't agree more!  You touch on another issue, which is that if the job is subcontracted by OpenReach to some other telecoms outfit, the customer may get a less skilled/helpful install than OR might have attempted.

Whilst you chose Full Fibre to keep up with technological change, understandably, many renewing their Part Fibre like me may now find they cannot renew without booking a date for FF installation.

flaneurs_lobster

Roy1234 said:

Whilst you chose Full Fibre to keep up with technological change, understandably, many renewing their Part Fibre like me may now find they cannot renew without booking a date for FF installation.

This is the more pressing point since there is a financial consequence to not upgrading.

I'm now beyond my minimum term (aka Out of Contract) and have lost the £10/mth discount. Together with the various discounts and bribes I could receive by FTTPing and renewing I'm probably £25/mth worse off for not upgrading.

This is offset by the tangible cost of an internal cable install and the intangible upheaval caused.

Roy1234

flaneurs_lobster said:

Roy1234 said:

Whilst you chose Full Fibre to keep up with technological change, understandably, many renewing their Part Fibre like me may now find they cannot renew without booking a date for FF installation.

This is the more pressing point since there is a financial consequence to not upgrading.

I'm now beyond my minimum term (aka Out of Contract) and have lost the £10/mth discount. Together with the various discounts and bribes I could receive by FTTPing and renewing I'm probably £25/mth worse off for not upgrading.

This is offset by the tangible cost of an internal cable install and the intangible upheaval caused.

I quite agree.  Whilst BT staff seem to have the attitude that the £5 less during contract was a 'discount' we knew about, to most customers it is seen as a fine/stick to get you back in-contract again, and so close the door to moving to another (often cheaper) BB provider, for another 24 months.  The fact is this supposed upgrade is being rolled out in a hasty way, in terms of time spent on installation, and so taking us back to the old days when phones sat on telephone tables just inside the front door.  In the decades that followed, we all rerouted them to our living rooms etc, and I don't see why it should be our cost/problem to do so all over again with Full Fibre.

mac.d

When mine was upgraded I eventually relented and left the engineer to install the fibre to a bedroom at the back of the house as otherwise he'd have to run it round the outside of the house to the living room and he said it would be unsightly and that the fibre doesn't like being bent at right angles. 

Rob5342

In my experience they can be quite amenable about location as long as it involves just tacking it along a skirting board or along an outside wall. I doubt they'd go clambering about in lofts or pull it through uneseen areas as the cable could end up getting bent and might not work. 

Do you have somewhere discreet with a single socket that you could run some stick on ducting to from an outside wall, and then use a powerline adapter to the router?

Roy1234

Rob5342 said:

In my experience they can be quite amenable about location as long as it involves just tacking it along a skirting board or along an outside wall. I doubt they'd go clambering about in lofts or pull it through uneseen areas as the cable could end up getting bent and might not work. 

Do you have somewhere discreet with a single socket that you could run some stick on ducting to from an outside wall, and then use a powerline adapter to the router?

Skirting board tacking is, well, tacky!  No thanks! Multiple doorways to navigate would make it proper amateur.

I already rely on a powerline adaptor to distribute the internet signal to one device, I can't use one between ONT and router as well, they would clash.

At present I think I'll have to accept an inconvenient first floor bedroom install for the ONT socket, then put in all the leg work to ethernet cable it to the router in a decent central position, perhaps via the loft and down via airing cupboard.  But for those with modern houses meaning big chipboard floor slabs nor floorboards to prise up, this is a !!!!!! of a job. Note to Openreach: Routers should never be placed by a window as half the Wi-Fi signal is lost into fresh air.

Rob5342

Yes skirting board tacking is a nasty bodge, I took mine off and put it in some self adhesive mini trunking instead. 

I'm pretty sure that you can have multiple pairs of powerline adapters on the same electrical circuit and each one will talk only to it's paired partner.

Roy1234

Rob5342 said:

Yes skirting board tacking is a nasty bodge, I took mine off and put it in some self adhesive mini trunking instead. 

I'm pretty sure that you can have multiple pairs of powerline adapters on the same electrical circuit and each one will talk only to it's paired partner.

Yes professional cable installers I have talked to at work, installing alarm or network cables etc, say they would never accept visible cabling.  There's almost always a neater way to run cables, but this is about saving time for OpenReach etc.  Given how immaculate a lot of people's houses are these days, surfaced tacked cable is just gross.

I think you are right about more than one powerline network being able to share your house wiring, due to unique encryption keys, I just read.  However, they do tend to drop the connection from time to time, and so a powerline adaptor leading to the router would kill the whole house's internet when offline, not just say your TV.  That makes them unappealing for the run to the router.

Rob5342

I think your plan is probably best, get them to put the ONT somewhere where their quick and dirty install will be the least visible, and then run the ethernet cable neatly to the router yourself.