Stopped by police, Problems with producer HO/RT10

CarUser_2

Im taking the points for bad tyre, as its my fault. Its being done for no insurance. Im might be young but im not stupid enough to drive without insurance. I have contacted a motoring lawyer and they will be writing to the CPS on my behalf pleading not to prosecute someone for being 10 hours late. They told me they dealt with simular cases and have been succesful.

Also why would i want to lie to you lot if all i want is advise.

hollydays

Surely it gives details on the hort10 as to timescale?If you are not sure what you have been summonsed for go back to the police station and ask them to look at the document they filed in.

aRE YOU SAYING THEREFORE,WHEN YOU GET TO COURT YOU WILL BE ABLE TO PRODUCE A VALID CERTIFICATE FOR THAT DATE? OOPS CAPS

CarUser_2

Yes, i will be able to show my insurance certificate.

Im just trying to avoid going to court because i dont want to pay for lawyers and other cost and take time off work.

Keith

Last time I failed to produce in 2001, I was told:-

You should return to the police station and produce the cover note. They will add it to the records and give you a note of which page it is recorded on, it can be written on your producer.

I was eventually summonsed for driving without insurance, and had to attend Court 3 times, at each hearing I produced my cover note and producer showing that it had been produced but was late.

I then had to attend a Court office and give a copy of the insurance note to them so they could check it was valid.

At this point I was found not guilty.

There is no need to pay for a Lawyer in a magistrates court.

CarUser_2

Is it not possible to contact the CPS before the case even gets to court. I spoke a motoring lawyer today and he said he has dealt with simular cases as mine. he said he wrote a letter and sent the orginal cover note to the CPS, they decided to drop the case as they knew they where going to prosecute somebody for turning up late.

pompeyrich

DanM wrote: »

You have 7 days to produce from midnight on the day the HORT/1 is issued, therefore the time of issue is not relevant as the 7 days only starts from midnight on that day.

Why cant people, in this case the Police use, either 23:59 or 00:01, as their reference time of midnight is confusing, is it midnight at the end of the day stated or the start of the day. Today is the 5th Jan, later on it will be 23:59 on the 5th, so is 1 minute after that, midnight on the 5th or 6th, as a minute later will be 00:01 on the 6th .

M4RKM

pompeyrich wrote: »

Why cant people, in this case the Police use, either 23:59 or 00:01, as their reference time of midnight is confusing, is it midnight at the end of the day stated or the start of the day. Today is the 5th Jan, later on it will be 23:59 on the 5th, so is 1 minute after that, midnight on the 5th or 6th, as a minute later will be 00:01 on the 6th .

from my understanding it goes

23.59 / 5th Jan
00.00 / 6th Jan
00.01 / 6th Jan

i don't see how when it hits the stroke of midnight it is the 5th or 6th of Jan!!!

CarUser_2

so does this mean i should of been able to hand in the documents at the time i went . A friend of mine who is police officer told me at his station its work like this: Get Stopped on 1st July Monday at 10am then you have until 8th July Monday 1159pm. He works at a 24 hour station.

Reluctant_spender

Irrespective of the time 23:59 or 00:01 the actual offence is failing to produce your documents when requested to do so - i.e at the side of the road. The law accepts that carrying your documents is a hassle and not always convenient and therefore gives you seven days from midnight to produce your documents at a station of your choosing.

If you fail to do so within the 7 days and you have a certificate of insurance then as long as you produce these to the court then you should be okay.

If today was the 1st July then you would have seven days from midnight tonight to produce. The rear of the HORT 1 spells this out

Iamthesmartestmanalive

I find something amiss here

First a PDF "cover note" would not be acceptable, all insurers send out original ones

I used to get insured at intervals on another car and I always received a cover note,

Yet you who didnt have one then, had one to present 7 days later which would at best have been 4 working days including the day of request

I find your whole post dodgy

Also I do not think you were insured

You probably ran home insured yourself from then and hoped the police didnt notice

Generally I think we would be better off without you on the roads of britain going by your attitude, lack of care and general lack of knowledge as to the law

Also the law doesnt allow for you necessarily to prove it later, you arent being charged for no insurance, but a seperate offence, given you accepted another offence at the time I just wonder how sympathetic they will be to you

Frankly If it was me Id be there the next day or the day after as would most normal folk

Stretching it out is asking for hassle