Economy 10 & Smart Meters

PZ19

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82024574#Comment_82024574

correct, they never really understood making sure the timing and calendar were the same, so their solution was to add the 2 TOU rate 1s together, and the 2 TOU Rate 2’s which is just the water/heat comes on 0137-0837 at the moment. I don’t use much overnight so I was ok with them doing that. Standard Variable Heating is the name of the tariff. In the old days my 2 separate meters were E7 plus the water/heat circuit.

Interestingly this week I have had the water on overnight and obviously not the storage heat and the only reading that is moving is Second TOU Rate 2. Can’t remember when I switched the heaters off but definitely up to the 12 th May there was a reading for Second TOU Rate 1. I do have an IHD now, which tells me daily cost and unit use, but is no real use, no tariff or std charge info in

QrizB

Re. "Standard Variable Heating":

Do you have a link to the EDF Tariff Information Label for details?

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Which doesnt seem to match any of the SR or E7 tables in DM903 exactly - but you can clearly see the PZ19 peak rates are far closer to normal SR

If you stick a North Scotland postcode (I used KW14 8AG which is a street in Thurso) into EDF's Tariff Information Labels webpage, It will spit out a label for this tariff.

This is only a single rate, so my assumption is that this rate only applies to the restricted output from the meter.

The other half of the meter seems to be charged at the regular SVT (note that the "SV Heating" rate for Thurso is the same as the SVT E7 off-peak rate):

PZ19

after all the hassle with EDF, which never really got sorted properly, I am going to put myself through it all again with Octopus, going to try their Snug tariff. Wish me luck, I’m sure it will go wrong at some point during the switch. I'll report back😂

Scot_39

@PZ19

Have you told them you have a 2 element meter ?

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If so, they going to keep it or switch it to single element 5 port ?

PZ19

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82139740#Comment_82139740

I haven’t broached that with them yet, I have to sign up their flex first then go through the process of joining snug. At that point, probably tomorrow, that will crop up! Can always switch back to EDF if necessary..

Rosie1001

I went from EDF to Octopus , I’m on snug

best thing I ever did , I did have a few “ blips “ since I’ve changed, but they are sorted straight away

the app on my phone is great and I can manage my account and usage with no issues at all

QrizB

Glad to know that everything is still going well, @Rosie1001 !

Rosie1001

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82141132#Comment_82141132

yes , all is good with snug

bills are lower as well , and losing the 2 hour boost and only getting one hour boost has made no difference

plus I get free hours etc …

PZ19

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/comment/82141123#Comment_82141123

yes you are my inspiration for the move. I think we had different meters though, so i expect I will have problems, we shall see. The first thing i noticed from taking to octopus yesterday was that they couldn’t see, whereever they were looking, the water/heat readings.. they guy seemed confident it would all be fine, I told him, I wasn’t so confident. Hahaha! I need to revisit your thread to remind me of your issues

Scot_39

Thanks for the update - at least they acknowledged the twin element additional readings "should" exist.

Have we seen any Octopus users in past with twin element set-ups ?

The only other that springs to mind was from a SP customer.

I suspect worst case they might find it easier to replace your twin element - if going to take the months of fighting your twin element as at EDF - its overkill unless they really are going to bill on a suitably advanced tariff splitting heating and normal use circuit charging - rates, times or both.

And Snug doesn't do that - it cannot on standard single element meters of course - so is it still 9p Snug restricted active rate - applies to whole house.

And given some with single element had problems with Snug time profile settings - maybe it would be better if they could fit a model that is known to work - if they can control their in house / third party fitter teams meter selections.