APCOA PCN Manchester Airport Drop-off

JD3691

Hi Guys,

I recently received a PCN notice from APCOA about a drop-off at Manchester Airport. I know you can usually ignore APCOA, but I don't want it to escalate into a CCJ and affect my credit score.

I've also been advised to appeal to APCOA, not admitting to who the driver was, and also asking them to provide the information on relevant byelaws that detail APCOA’s right in terms of transferring liability of a parking charge from the driver of the vehicle to the registered keeper of the vehicle.

And then appealing to POPLA on the grounds that there is no registered keeper liability. 

Can somebody let me know my chances of appealing on these grounds? Thank you.

Fruitcake

Your chances are very good as long as the driver's identity is never revealed.

Appeal to APCOA using the template in blue text from the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES, and add a one liner that since airport bylaws apply, the keeper cannot be held liable.
Alternatively, just appeal using the one line I mentioned above.

If it is rejected then appeal to PoPLA using all the points available to you from the third post of the NEWBIES making not-relevant land, airport bylaws, no keeper liability your point 1.

JD3691

Fruitcake said:

Your chances are very good as long as the driver's identity is never revealed.

Appeal to APCOA using the template in blue text from the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES, and add a one liner that since airport bylaws apply, the keeper cannot be held liable.
Alternatively, just appeal using the one line I mentioned above.

If it is rejected then appeal to PoPLA using all the points available to you from the third post of the NEWBIES making not-relevant land, airport bylaws, no keeper liability your point 1.

Thank you! Is there any way the driver's identity could be revealed? Would APCOA go to any lengths to determine who was driving, or is it essentially just my word against theirs?

fisherjim

JD3691 said:

Fruitcake said:

Your chances are very good as long as the driver's identity is never revealed.

Appeal to APCOA using the template in blue text from the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES, and add a one liner that since airport bylaws apply, the keeper cannot be held liable.
Alternatively, just appeal using the one line I mentioned above.

If it is rejected then appeal to PoPLA using all the points available to you from the third post of the NEWBIES making not-relevant land, airport bylaws, no keeper liability your point 1.

Thank you! Is there any way the driver's identity could be revealed? Would APCOA go to any lengths to determine who was driving, or is it essentially just my word against theirs?

What lengths would you expect them to go to?

How on earth can they determine who the driver was unless YOU tell them, it could have been me?

Coupon-mad

Just read the Heathrow Gatwick Drop off group thread & win by using that appeal. Dead easy.

Rhid

fisherjim said:

JD3691 said:

Fruitcake said:

Your chances are very good as long as the driver's identity is never revealed.

Appeal to APCOA using the template in blue text from the sticky Announcement for NEWBIES, and add a one liner that since airport bylaws apply, the keeper cannot be held liable.
Alternatively, just appeal using the one line I mentioned above.

If it is rejected then appeal to PoPLA using all the points available to you from the third post of the NEWBIES making not-relevant land, airport bylaws, no keeper liability your point 1.

Thank you! Is there any way the driver's identity could be revealed? Would APCOA go to any lengths to determine who was driving, or is it essentially just my word against theirs?

What lengths would you expect them to go to?

How on earth can they determine who the driver was unless YOU tell them, it could have been me?

They have a picture (reasonable quality) of car and driver on fine letter.

I know because there was one waiting for me when I returned from holiday 2 days ago. £100 for taking a wrong turn whikst trying to get to T2 meet and greet in midst of road diversion and signage choas! I'm not local.

I was in the drop off lane (never stopped) for a total of 1 min 20 secs.

Just weighing up whether to appeal or ignore?

Coupon-mad

Coupon-mad said:

Just read the Heathrow Gatwick Drop off group thread & win by using that appeal. Dead easy.

There is no dilemma. You can't lose.

doubledotcom

Rhid said:

They have a picture (reasonable quality) of car and driver on fine letter.

You should show us where the magical unicorn database is that anyone can submit a photo of someone and out spurts the persons identity details.  Try and imagine how you, not the police, can identify a random person from a photo. The same applies to an unregulated private parking company.

The ONLY way they can identify the driver is if you tell them.

Rhid

doubledotcom said:

Rhid said:

They have a picture (reasonable quality) of car and driver on fine letter.

You should show us where the magical unicorn database is that anyone can submit a photo of someone and out spurts the persons identity details.  Try and imagine how you, not the police, can identify a random person from a photo. The same applies to an unregulated private parking company.

The ONLY way they can identify the driver is if you tell them.

That magical unicorn is google.  The issue comes where keeper is driver. If you type keepers detail in to Google, there is a picture of me on page 1. Wouldn't take alot to match this photo to PCN photo. Admittedly it's APCOA and I'm wearing sunglasses, but...

ChirpyChicken

Rhid said:

doubledotcom said:

Rhid said:

They have a picture (reasonable quality) of car and driver on fine letter.

You should show us where the magical unicorn database is that anyone can submit a photo of someone and out spurts the persons identity details.  Try and imagine how you, not the police, can identify a random person from a photo. The same applies to an unregulated private parking company.

The ONLY way they can identify the driver is if you tell them.

That magical unicorn is google.  The issue comes where keeper is driver. If you type keepers detail in to Google, there is a picture of me on page 1. Wouldn't take alot to match this photo to PCN photo. Admittedly it's APCOA and I'm wearing sunglasses, but...

Do you honestly know how many appeals these people process per day.  Its hundreds -Your overthinking it.  No need to go down the rabbit hole
People on here have been beating parking companies for years.
I get this a lot in my line of working. Those who dont deal with an issue thinking they know more about the issue then the professional. People here are giving you the correct advice

In closing below beats APCOA.  Use this link https://payments.apcoa.co.uk/ and select keeper
  come back when its cancelled.

This is an appeal by the registered keeper - No driver details will be given. Please do NOT try the usual Group Nexus Trick of asking for driver details in order to get around the fact your NTK does not comply with POFA. As there is no keeper liability then liability cannot flow from the driver to the keeper and thus is an auto win @ POPLA. Please therefore cancel the notice or issue a POPLA code where you will auto withdraw
**not relevant land for the purposes of POFA**