Red light offence or overload car??

Megdrim

powerful_Rogue said:

Megdrim said:

My mistake to come here for help. Only firing squad members around here. My offence on M62 was already dismissed by police. Im curiouss what will be outcome this time. Thanks for help anyway

Not at all. You're a private hire driver which overloaded their vehicle. As such you couldn't stop in time for a red light.  Luckily it was just a red light and not someone which had run into the road.

Outcome? 3 points and £100 fine. Unless you opt to goto court with your 'defence' in which it would probably see additional offences added.

The same think you said on m62 offence. Police said my speed was measured by inactive gantry. 26 drivers got their nip cancelled that day.

MattMattMattUK

There was air in your brake lines and the pads were worn, which is failing to adequately maintain a private hire vehicle, do you also want to tell them you overloaded the vehicle? You would be turning what is currently one offended, the red light, into three, the red light, inadequate maintenance and overloading the vehicle.

Mildly_Miffed

Megdrim said:

Garage find air in brake system and worn brake pads. If i understand right an malfunction of your car its your driving fault but in this case why we pay for mot ? (i got report and price to fix right now)

Air doesn't just get into a properly maintained brake system. It can't, any more than fluid can escape.

The one possibility is that if the fluid hasn't been changed for an extended period (it should be changed every two to three years), then if it gets REALLY hot the water that can be absorbed into the fluid can boil, resulting in compressible steam. But that would normally require much more than just 30mph driving with a load that's too heavy.
Normal boiling point for new DOT4 fluid is 230degC.
Fluid that's more than ready for changing boils at about 150degC, and that reduces further the more water that's absorbed.
Also, the water in old fluid corrodes calipers and cylinders and pipes from the inside.

Pad wear doesn't increase braking distance until there's NO friction material left, and it's metal-on-metal.

The MOT doesn't check for either the boiling point of brake fluid or time since it was last changed.
The test can only check for pad wear if the pad thickness can be seen without removing a wheel. Apart from that, it only checks for function at the time of the test - and the minimum braking effort to pass is fairly low.

Just be thankful that you didn't hit anything from your failure to stop, whether it be from overloading or poor maintenance.

Megdrim

Mildly_Miffed said:

Megdrim said:

Garage find air in brake system and worn brake pads. If i understand right an malfunction of your car its your driving fault but in this case why we pay for mot ? (i got report and price to fix right now)

Air doesn't just get into a properly maintained brake system. It can't, any more than fluid can escape.

The one possibility is that if the fluid hasn't been changed for an extended period (it should be changed every two to three years), then if it gets REALLY hot the water that can be absorbed into the fluid can boil, resulting in compressible steam. But that would normally require much more than just 30mph driving with a load that's too heavy.
Normal boiling point for new DOT4 fluid is 230degC.
Fluid that's more than ready for changing boils at about 150degC, and that reduces further the more water that's absorbed.
Also, the water in old fluid corrodes calipers and cylinders and pipes from the inside.

Pad wear doesn't increase braking distance until there's NO friction material left, and it's metal-on-metal.

The MOT doesn't check for either the boiling point of brake fluid or time since it was last changed.
The test can only check for pad wear if the pad thickness can be seen without removing a wheel. Apart from that, it only checks for function at the time of the test - and the minimum braking effort to pass is fairly low.

Just be thankful that you didn't hit anything from your failure to stop, whether it be from overloading or poor maintenance.

Thank you very much for your insights. I think its a good time to pay a visit to my garage for some questions.To be honest i don't know what happens i had no mechanical knowledge. What i know its i was driving like usual  I trying to stop the car at the light and brake don't responded properly and when i press hard instead of emergency brake i got a slowly car stopping. I dont know why and i believe my garage lie me for more money
 Thank you again.

MattMattMattUK

Megdrim said:

Mildly_Miffed said:

Megdrim said:

Garage find air in brake system and worn brake pads. If i understand right an malfunction of your car its your driving fault but in this case why we pay for mot ? (i got report and price to fix right now)

Air doesn't just get into a properly maintained brake system. It can't, any more than fluid can escape.

The one possibility is that if the fluid hasn't been changed for an extended period (it should be changed every two to three years), then if it gets REALLY hot the water that can be absorbed into the fluid can boil, resulting in compressible steam. But that would normally require much more than just 30mph driving with a load that's too heavy.
Normal boiling point for new DOT4 fluid is 230degC.
Fluid that's more than ready for changing boils at about 150degC, and that reduces further the more water that's absorbed.
Also, the water in old fluid corrodes calipers and cylinders and pipes from the inside.

Pad wear doesn't increase braking distance until there's NO friction material left, and it's metal-on-metal.

The MOT doesn't check for either the boiling point of brake fluid or time since it was last changed.
The test can only check for pad wear if the pad thickness can be seen without removing a wheel. Apart from that, it only checks for function at the time of the test - and the minimum braking effort to pass is fairly low.

Just be thankful that you didn't hit anything from your failure to stop, whether it be from overloading or poor maintenance.

Thank you very much for your insights. I think its a good time to pay a visit to my garage for some questions. Thank you again.

Have you had the vehicle serviced and MOTed every six months? Do you have invoices which show what work was done?

TooManyPoints

My mistake to come here for help. Only firing squad members around here.

Unfortunately that seems to be increasing on here.

Anyway, as above, if you are offered an out-of-court disposal I would accept it. It is your responsibility to make sure your vehicle is roadworthy and that you do not overload your car. Neither of those will help to defend or to mitigate the red light offence. Best no mentioned as they could aggravate it.

I believe the Metropolitan Police (London) offer courses for red light offences but I'm not sure whether anywhere else does.

Car_54

Hoenir said:

Car_54 said:

Hoenir said:

No course for a red light offence.  Guaranteed points if found guilty. 
 

Has the What's Driving Us course been scrapped?

Driving history will be a major factor in any decision made. 

No, it won't. The only criteria for a red-light course are (a) time into red and (b) not having done the same course in the previous three years. 

Megdrim

Yes i had all documents .Mot every six months service done 3 months ago . Nothing no warning about nothing. They change oil and filters

MattMattMattUK

Megdrim said:

Yes i had all documents .Mot every six months service done 3 months ago . Nothing no warning about nothing. They change oil and filters

When do they show you were last invoiced (time and miles) for brake pads and brake fluid change? 

Hoenir

TooManyPoints said:

My mistake to come here for help. Only firing squad members around here.

Unfortunately that seems to be increasing on here.

The law of holes or the first law of holes, is if you find yourself in a hole, stop digging.  Second law is not to hire a JCB.