Kitchen extrator fan - neighbour smelling cooking?

ThisIsWeird

blackstar said:

I think I know why they removed part 13, 13f and 16 when fitting it. The wall socket is in the way, so they just didnt install those essential parts and in order to fit it.
and to fit part 17 ie the cover they put a hole in the false kitchen ceiling which then allowed the fumes to travel straight into the space between the false kitchen ceiling and the real kitchen ceiling and traveling to my neighbours bedroom.

the issue I have now is how can I ensure when I buy a new extractor fan that the wall socket will not be in the way and prevent fitting it?
Wish there were companies who deal with these and can come out and look and tell me which will fit etc and then install them.

Thisisweriod can you give me a link to the eBay part 13 and 13f that would fit my extractor fan but wouldn't the wall socket be in the way, unless part 13 is flexible? But would it be ok to have it resting on the wall socket? 
Wonder if possible to move the wall socket so it's futher away? Or of theres extractor fans which the wall socket won't be in the way, but as you said probably not.

What solution are you after - to duct-vent outside, or to filter and recirculate? 

For the latter, you'll need a short length of flexible ducting which will clear the socket. But also a means on connecting it snugly to the round exhaust opening you can see there. I presume it originally had a collar of some sort to secure it, but you may have to make do with a large bead of StixAll! Measure that round opening to check required size.

For part 13F, I initially found what looked like a generic part that could do the job, but have now found this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276235567858 which looks correct, tho' you'd need to confirm the measurements. Given that Indesit was originally asking £65 for just that part, it ain't too bad!

The possible alternative is: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155820269019 but it isn't as good for 'flow' - and you'd also have confirm dims.

But, I'd personally go ext-vent. Even if unsure at the mo', I think I'd still start with this: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272882521701? 'Male 90 Elbow Bend' and have it exit out the LH side of the chimney against the ceiling. A wee deflector aiming the exhaust slightly downwards across the tops of the wall units, of just a piece of protective PVC stuck to the ceiling above it, should prevent stains building on the ceiling. Then, when you fancy going 'ext', just add duct, a corner elbow, and another elbow out t'wall. (That's just one site as an example - I haven't checked the rectangular sizes - the bigger the better, as long as it clears above the flue.)

blackstar

Thank you very much that was incredibly helpful.

We have decided that we would prefer to get a brand new eternal extractor hood fan as this one is so old anyway. 

However we don't want to end up in the same situation as the previous owner who obviously bought this one, started to fit it and realised he couldn't fit part 13 or 13f due to the wall socket in place.
So we need to ensure that whatever hood cooking fan will have maybe a flexible ducking or something similar so the wall socket will not prevent us fitting it all. 
What we would ve externally and extremely grateful for would be if you helped us with a link or two of a cooker hood external extractor fan that would accommodate this as it's so complex. Thanks so much again

ThisIsWeird

blackstar said:

Thank you very much that was incredibly helpful.

We have decided that we would prefer to get a brand new eternal extractor hood fan as this one is so old anyway. 

However we don't want to end up in the same situation as the previous owner who obviously bought this one, started to fit it and realised he couldn't fit part 13 or 13f due to the wall socket in place.
So we need to ensure that whatever hood cooking fan will have maybe a flexible ducking or something similar so the wall socket will not prevent us fitting it all. 
What we would ve externally and extremely grateful for would be if you helped us with a link or two of a cooker hood external extractor fan that would accommodate this as it's so complex. Thanks so much again

Most hoods will do both - recycle and ext vent. I actually have a larger size of your exact hood, and it vents out the wall behind it.
It's worth spending some time deciding on a hood. Apart from aesthetics, the two main factors I'd suggest you consider are noise level and extraction rate.
Aesthetically, there's 'chimney', 'sloping', 'telescopic', 'integrated'... However, I'm assuming you don't want to alter your wall units and cornice either side, so that pretty much leaves you with 'chimney'!
As far as I can Google, 'chimney' would include 'pyramid' - like wot you have - sloping (provided it has a chimney above), and 'flat'. The latter can include those with glass, either flat or curved.
Ok, this is what I do - and have done recently for others; eBay, 'new' or 'new other', filter the makes - go for AEG, Bosch, Neff, etc - and see what comes up. These higher-end makes will almost certainly be quieter in operation, which is a biggie.
I'm going to be revamping my kitchen this year, and a quiet hood will be a major factor :-).

ThisIsWeird

I'm not suggesting this, but it's just a quick example.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276783788184?
Silly money, except the normal price would be well over £300, and there is a 20% coupon currently, so £191. Yes it has a couple of donks, but it's a high-end item, so 'should' perform well. And it has the undeniable cachet of an AEG

blackstar

ThisIsWeird said:

I'm not suggesting this, but it's just a quick example.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276783788184?
Silly money, except the normal price would be well over £300, and there is a 20% coupon currently, so £191. Yes it has a couple of donks, but it's a high-end item, so 'should' perform well. And it has the undeniable cachet of an AEG

Thanks that's incredibly helpful. 
Do I need to measure the space between my cupboards and also the height or anything to ensure it will fit.?

In terms of for example that one in the link, sorry if I have missed something but how can I avoid the wall socket getting in the way? Does this one come with flexible ducking or similar? 

ThisIsWeird

blackstar said:

ThisIsWeird said:

I'm not suggesting this, but it's just a quick example.
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/276783788184?
Silly money, except the normal price would be well over £300, and there is a 20% coupon currently, so £191. Yes it has a couple of donks, but it's a high-end item, so 'should' perform well. And it has the undeniable cachet of an AEG

Thanks that's incredibly helpful. 
Do I need to measure the space between my cupboards and also the height or anything to ensure it will fit.?

In terms of for example that one in the link, sorry if I have missed something but how can I avoid the wall socket getting in the way? Does this one come with flexible ducking or similar? 

No idea what it comes with, sorry. But most, I think, could be used with flexible ducting that will miss the wall socket.
Width - I presume you have a standard 600mm gap? So all 600 hoods will fit. Height - like the one you have - the decorative chimney will almost certainly be telescopic to cope.
Always check the spec on the maker's site. If they say it comes with x,y, and z, then check with the seller it does. If it doesn't, then you return it, foc.

blackstar

Just spoke to AEG and they said I would need to purchase seperate a flexible duct which is 150mm to fit around socket for this model
 So need to find one of those, any links appreciated. 

Thank you very much for your help

TheGreenFrog

I have fitted (as DIYer) a few kitchen hoods over the years and in the vast majority of cases the old one I was taking out was not properly fitted.  No external vent and no recirculation kit is one of them - hoods are not usually sold with recirculation kits so it seems sometimes people just don't bother.  The other problem, especially with externally vented, is how the ducting is set up. Often the ducting parts don't exactly fit (maybe metric and imperial brands mixed up) and duct tape is not the ideal solution - properly fitting parts is so is worth paying attention to the exact measurements required (a bit easier when using flexible ducting).  For the electrics I have generally cut the plug off the new hood and used a small junction box to make the connection and you could probably do the same for your set-up:  very easy job for an electrician.

TheGreenFrog

A couple of other things I have come across:

- if you have a very low ceiling you may have to get the chimney cut to size.  Can be done with an angle grinder if you have a steady hand and cut should be concealed by lower part
- especially if using external venting the size and run of the ducting has a significant impact on noise levels at higher fan speeds.  If hood has a 150mm outlet then constricting the venting to 120mm or even 100mm will increase the noise levels as will putting right angle bends in the ducting.  Flexible ducting is noisier than rigid
- watch out for electricity cables when fitting.  Does not look to be an issue for your hood but was in the last one I did

ThisIsWeird

Most such chimneys are telescopic enough to cope with any ceiling height. The issue here would be that a side exit would really need cutting for the ext-vent duct. As t'Frog says, this is relatively straightforward using an angle grinder, but not for the novice.
Blackstar, 150mm flexible duct, 6", is one of the standard sizes. Many suppliers, including on t'Bay.