Have we ever been in a worse car buying era I don't know where to turn next.

Spies

If it wasn't for the media, the hate against EVs wouldn't really exist because people would be able to form their own opinion rather than regurgitating the bile they read. 

TooManyPoints

But how would a potential EV buyer find out about other people's experiences of them if they were not reported in the media? The manufacturers are hardly likely to run down their products and customers must rely on other people's reports to form their opinion.

Northern_Wanderer

Spies said:

If it wasn't for the media, the hate against EVs wouldn't really exist because people would be able to form their own opinion rather than regurgitating the bile they read. 

I think this works the other way actually, I usually see main stream media bigging up EVs and little in MSM discussing the wider issues. The effect of the Net Zero agenda on car manufacturers. The costs. I personally am well read and make up my own opionion on things, I am not a Sheeple. And of course it wasn't an EV that burnt a hole through the concete floor in Luton airport car park. MSM were extremely quick to say it was a diesel but car experts worked out the tail lights in the video showing the car go on fire were from the EV model.

Spies

TooManyPoints said:

But how would a potential EV buyer find out about other people's experiences of them if they were not reported in the media? The manufacturers are hardly likely to run down their products and customers must rely on other people's reports to form their opinion.

I wouldn't trust a newspaper to review a video game in the same way I wouldn't trust them to review a car, I would go to the relevant publication to get a balanced opinion. 

WellKnownSid

TooManyPoints said:

But how would a potential EV buyer find out about other people's experiences of them if they were not reported in the media? The manufacturers are hardly likely to run down their products and customers must rely on other people's reports to form their opinion.

Statistics show a massively high NPS for EVs which seems at odds with the headlines in the media - certainly our own experiences (sample size of two) don’t correlate with the almost extreme FUD in the press.

Manufacturers are definitely working hard to run the products down - promoting a form of motoring which needs almost zero maintenance is like turkeys voting for Christmas.

TooManyPoints

I wouldn't trust a newspaper to review a video game in the same way I wouldn't trust them to review a car, I would go to the relevant publication to get a balanced opinion. 

But newspapers were not specifically mentioned. I agree that one has to be a little circumspect when reading them, especially when making a decision to part with a sizeable sum of dosh, But Spies only mentioned  "the media" which I assume would include your relevant publication. If by "the media" Spies meant only publications whose views he did not agree with, he should have said so.

Newspapers are not going to run headlines such as "I took delivery of my new EV and I am absolutely delighted with it." It doesn't sell papers. They only want "man bites dog" stories.

There is no doubt that at some point (though I do not think it will be as soon as some believe) it will no longer be possible to buy an  IC car. Many people do not like being told what they can and cannot buy when they can see no point in making such a restriction. That's why papers headline stories such as "Mum with two kids in her EV runs out of juice on the busy M6". It grabs people's attention far more than "Man drives from Birmingham to Manchester in his EV with no problems whatsoever."

born_again

TooManyPoints said:

I wouldn't trust a newspaper to review a video game in the same way I wouldn't trust them to review a car, I would go to the relevant publication to get a balanced opinion. 

But newspapers were not specifically mentioned. I agree that one has to be a little circumspect when reading them, especially when making a decision to part with a sizeable sum of dosh, But Spies only mentioned  "the media" which I assume would include your relevant publication. If by "the media" Spies meant only publications whose views he did not agree with, he should have said so.

Newspapers are not going to run headlines such as "I took delivery of my new EV and I am absolutely delighted with it." It doesn't sell papers. They only want "man bites dog" stories.

There is no doubt that at some point (though I do not think it will be as soon as some believe) it will no longer be possible to buy an  IC car. Many people do not like being told what they can and cannot buy when they can see no point in making such a restriction. That's why papers headline stories such as "Mum with two kids in her EV runs out of juice on the busy M6". It grabs people's attention far more than "Man drives from Birmingham to Manchester in his EV with no problems whatsoever."

Which is just like this story 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/electric-car-motorway-driver-nathan-owen-jaguar-ipace-b1143726.html

Which ended with

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/driver-arrested-after-runaway-electric-car-stopped-by-police

A driver caught out lying to try & save their skin

Media had a field day about it, but next to no coverage when the truth outed in the main stream media. 🤷‍♀️

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born_again said:

TooManyPoints said:

I wouldn't trust a newspaper to review a video game in the same way I wouldn't trust them to review a car, I would go to the relevant publication to get a balanced opinion. 

But newspapers were not specifically mentioned. I agree that one has to be a little circumspect when reading them, especially when making a decision to part with a sizeable sum of dosh, But Spies only mentioned  "the media" which I assume would include your relevant publication. If by "the media" Spies meant only publications whose views he did not agree with, he should have said so.

Newspapers are not going to run headlines such as "I took delivery of my new EV and I am absolutely delighted with it." It doesn't sell papers. They only want "man bites dog" stories.

There is no doubt that at some point (though I do not think it will be as soon as some believe) it will no longer be possible to buy an  IC car. Many people do not like being told what they can and cannot buy when they can see no point in making such a restriction. That's why papers headline stories such as "Mum with two kids in her EV runs out of juice on the busy M6". It grabs people's attention far more than "Man drives from Birmingham to Manchester in his EV with no problems whatsoever."

Which is just like this story 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/electric-car-motorway-driver-nathan-owen-jaguar-ipace-b1143726.html

Which ended with

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/driver-arrested-after-runaway-electric-car-stopped-by-police

A driver caught out lying to try & save their skin

Media had a field day about it, but next to no coverage when the truth outed in the main stream media. 🤷‍♀️

I am not sure that I understand. He called 999, 8 police cars boxed him in causing damage. What was in it for him? 

Spies

I never said media = publications I don't agree with, so don't put words into my mouth.

I was referring to newspapers, I should have been more clear, I class publications as sites such as WhatCar or Top Gear magazine etc

Bonniepurple

My personal concerns - at the moment- with EVs are:
Range - discussed further up
Charging - we are lucky in that we have a driveway.  My brother is moving to a place that doesn’t. 

Costs - EVs are currently cheaper to run. At some point the Government ( of whatever colour) will realise that they are losing a lot of money from petrol and diesel and will need to find a replacement.  That’s when pay per mile will come in.  

I realise none of these are insurmountable.  In fact, if my brother’s house had off street parking he would be looking to buy an EV, and it would be useful for me (he’s moving a few minutes away from me).  I just wouldn’t feel comfortable with having just EVs as yet.

And yes, I know technology has moved on and batteries are better, but I think most local folk had a giggle a few years ago when the local police force discovered that their then brand new, state of the art EV objected to headlights, blue lights, sirens AND windscreen wipers being used at the sand time and ran out of battery 😀