Have we ever been in a worse car buying era I don't know where to turn next.

tacpot12

There will probably come a time when the production of 'petrol' will cease to be economic, but when you consider that piston-engined aircraft still used leaded petrol there is a very long lifetime to previous generations of fuels. (Interesting fact - more petrol evaporates from filling station forecourts in the UK than is used by all the UK general aviation aircraft that are still using leaded petrol).  

RogerPensionGuy

Money_Grabber13579 said:

user1977 said:

midimanuser said:

I can't even buy anything in the hope that it would become a classic for fear of it being outlawed from the road in time.
 

Why do you think anything's going to be "outlawed from the road"? Look at all the lawfully-used "classic" cars still around, which don't meet any of today's safety or emissions standards, for example.

I guess it’s unlikely that anything will ever be outlawed from the road but in time, I can see fuel costs becoming ridiculously expensive and difficult to get, so that they almost become unusable. That would seem to be a long time away yet though, probably 2050 or beyond.

Good post. 

A bit like now, people who don't have easy cheap home charging @ 5% VAT have to endure parking fees, charging costs of like 8 or 10 times of home charging and @ 20% VAT, so driving to and from chargers and ensuring not parked on some spots for a few minutes over an hours limit.

And people wonder why private buyers are very reluctant to buy expensive EVs, enjoy battery degradation and try paying for a new battery to be fitted down the road.

The introduction of EVs has been very poor by governments, probably worst than HS2. 

Mildly_Miffed

RogerPensionGuy said:

The introduction of EVs has been very poor by governments, probably worst than HS2. 

Except for one big difference.

The government were directly involved in running HS2.

They aren't in EVs.
EVs are all about the commercial world, the free market. Sure, there's gentle fiscal nudges - but look what happens when those are withdrawn (free VED)... People moan and whine that it's SOOO UNFAIR!

People buy EVs not because they're told to, but because they are an undeniable solution to the big problem facing us today, climate change. 

MeteredOut

RogerPensionGuy said:

Money_Grabber13579 said:

user1977 said:

midimanuser said:

I can't even buy anything in the hope that it would become a classic for fear of it being outlawed from the road in time.
 

Why do you think anything's going to be "outlawed from the road"? Look at all the lawfully-used "classic" cars still around, which don't meet any of today's safety or emissions standards, for example.

I guess it’s unlikely that anything will ever be outlawed from the road but in time, I can see fuel costs becoming ridiculously expensive and difficult to get, so that they almost become unusable. That would seem to be a long time away yet though, probably 2050 or beyond.

Good post. 

A bit like now, people who don't have easy cheap home charging @ 5% VAT have to endure parking fees, charging costs of like 8 or 10 times of home charging and @ 20% VAT, so driving to and from chargers and ensuring not parked on some spots for a few minutes over an hours limit.

And people wonder why private buyers are very reluctant to buy expensive EVs, enjoy battery degradation and try paying for a new battery to be fitted down the road.

The introduction of EVs has been very poor by governments, probably worst than HS2. 

So that they don't have to suffer contributing further to polluting our air with toxic fumes, expensive running costs and paying for a new engine down the road?

I'd say the governments' support in encouraging/enabling a better growth of the EV charging infrastructure has been poor.

born_again

Mildly_Miffed said:

People buy EVs not because they're told to, but because they are an undeniable solution to the big problem facing us today, climate change. 

More than happy to pay VED. 
I only went EV as it is the cheapest option.
18 months in & £161 to charge car. Which is around 2 months fuel in the old HEV, doing the same miles.


Buying an electric car now is like buying an iPhone from Apple and buying a pertol car is like buying something that I could no longer sell.

Given how many I-phones & other phones are sold. seems like a plan.🤷‍♀️

ICE, at least 10 years before it starts to get hard to keep running at a reasonable cost. Fuel duty will go the same way as duty on cigs, as a way to price them off the roads.

Hoenir

MeteredOut said:

RogerPensionGuy said:

Money_Grabber13579 said:

user1977 said:

midimanuser said:

I can't even buy anything in the hope that it would become a classic for fear of it being outlawed from the road in time.
 

Why do you think anything's going to be "outlawed from the road"? Look at all the lawfully-used "classic" cars still around, which don't meet any of today's safety or emissions standards, for example.

I guess it’s unlikely that anything will ever be outlawed from the road but in time, I can see fuel costs becoming ridiculously expensive and difficult to get, so that they almost become unusable. That would seem to be a long time away yet though, probably 2050 or beyond.

Good post. 

A bit like now, people who don't have easy cheap home charging @ 5% VAT have to endure parking fees, charging costs of like 8 or 10 times of home charging and @ 20% VAT, so driving to and from chargers and ensuring not parked on some spots for a few minutes over an hours limit.

And people wonder why private buyers are very reluctant to buy expensive EVs, enjoy battery degradation and try paying for a new battery to be fitted down the road.

The introduction of EVs has been very poor by governments, probably worst than HS2. 

I'd say the governments' support in encouraging/enabling a better growth of the EV charging infrastructure has been poor.

Let's be factually correct. Governments spend taxpayers money. Borrowed money needs to be repaid along with the interest in servicing the debt. Will EV users feel inclined to put their hands in their pockets to fund this. In order that recharging on the move across the entire country becomes far easier. 

Inherent danger is that as the global demand for copper increases. So will it's price. Electrification is going to face many challenges along the way. 

subjecttocontract

Can electric cars tow a trailer, boat or caravan ?
I didn't think we had electric commercial vehicles with sufficient range for everyone ?
Some people living in flats and terraced houses can't have a home charger so EVs aren't suitable for them.
We still have a long, long way to go yet.

Aretnap

born_again said:
 Fuel duty will go the same way as duty on cigs, as a way to price them off the roads.

It amazing that people still believe things like this. Fuel duty hasn't gone up since 2010. And if a new Labour government with a landslide majority and enormous political capital doesn't dare increase it in their first budget (always the best time to take unpopular decisions), the most likely scenario now is that it will never increase again. Petrol stations will just gradually start to disappear as demand for petrol/diesel drops, and what finally forces the last few ICE vehicles off the road will be that it simply becomes impossible to find somewhere to fill them up.

subjecttocontract

Half the vehicles on the road are commercials & quasi commercial vehicles that need more range than EV technology can currently offer.

Car_54

Mildly_Miffed said:

People buy EVs not because they're told to, but because they are an undeniable solution to the big problem facing us today, climate change. 

Undeniable? I think not. 

Even in the best case, they won't be a solution, just a contribution. And a relatively small one, compared to e.g. China's power stations.

EVs certainly reduce emissions locally (which is undeniably a Good Thing), but not necessarily at the point of generation/conversion of the electricity. Further, manufacturing the EVs contributes to climate change, as does mining the raw materials, shipping them, and the premature scrapping of the non-electrics.