MSE News: More energy deals with NO standing charges finally on the cards

QrizB

Patr100 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Someone has posted example of Utilita Prepayment No Standing Charge Tariff rates elsewhere.

E - Unit Rate 1 - 58.450p   Unit Rate 2 - 24.560p

G  Unit Rate 1 - 21.831p    Unit Rate 2 -  5.943p

Just to be clear, rate 1 is non SC, rate 2 is with?

Rate 1 is for the first two kWh per day. Rate 2 is for all the subsequent ones.

From Utilita's website:

 How does the structure of this tariff work?
Our Smart Energy tariff has two unit rates and no Standing Charge. First Rate is collected for the first 2 kWh of electricity or 2 kWh of gas used per day. Saver Rate applies for all remaining kWh of electricity or gas used in the day.

You can find your regional tariff via https://join.utilita.co.uk

Scot_39

Patr100 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Someone has posted example of Utilita Prepayment No Standing Charge Tariff rates elsewhere.

E - Unit Rate 1 - 58.450p   Unit Rate 2 - 24.560p

G  Unit Rate 1 - 21.831p    Unit Rate 2 -  5.943p

Just to be clear, rate 1 is non SC, rate 2 is with?

No its a banded tariff - you pay rate 1 for first 2 kWh per day - and rate 2 for everything above.

It's essentially recovering enough to pay the SC not only probably on the day - depending on the region - but to cover days where you do not consume the 2 units.

So in simplistic terms - per day - the SC recovery is c68p (2x 58.45 - 24.56) on electric and c32p (from 2 x 21.83-5.94).

wrf12345

First rate is for the first 2kw, second rate is for all the rest of the day's consumption - note that the gas is over three times the normal rate. It is the wrong way to do things from a consumer perspective so Ofgem are happy to allow it.

GingerTim

QrizB said:

Patr100 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Someone has posted example of Utilita Prepayment No Standing Charge Tariff rates elsewhere.

E - Unit Rate 1 - 58.450p   Unit Rate 2 - 24.560p

G  Unit Rate 1 - 21.831p    Unit Rate 2 -  5.943p

Just to be clear, rate 1 is non SC, rate 2 is with?

Rate 1 is for the first two kWh per day. Rate 2 is for all the subsequent ones.

From Utilita's website:

 How does the structure of this tariff work?
Our Smart Energy tariff has two unit rates and no Standing Charge. First Rate is collected for the first 2 kWh of electricity or 2 kWh of gas used per day. Saver Rate applies for all remaining kWh of electricity or gas used in the day.

You can find your regional tariff via https://join.utilita.co.uk

I just plugged my electricity usage since late September into my spreadsheet and I would have saved a total of £6 over the three months had I been with Utilita instead of being on Octopus Agile. Utilita works out a few pence cheaper each weekday when I use no more than 2.5kwh/day, but up to 40p 70p more expensive than Agile at the weekend or if I'm at home most of the day when I can use up to 6.5kwh.

On the other hand, the weekly free Costa coffee from Octopus is worth about £4 and Agile will save me a lot more during spring and summer, so I'll be staying put.

pete-20-11

GingerTim said:

QrizB said:

Patr100 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Someone has posted example of Utilita Prepayment No Standing Charge Tariff rates elsewhere.

E - Unit Rate 1 - 58.450p   Unit Rate 2 - 24.560p

G  Unit Rate 1 - 21.831p    Unit Rate 2 -  5.943p

Just to be clear, rate 1 is non SC, rate 2 is with?

Rate 1 is for the first two kWh per day. Rate 2 is for all the subsequent ones.

From Utilita's website:

 How does the structure of this tariff work?
Our Smart Energy tariff has two unit rates and no Standing Charge. First Rate is collected for the first 2 kWh of electricity or 2 kWh of gas used per day. Saver Rate applies for all remaining kWh of electricity or gas used in the day.

You can find your regional tariff via https://join.utilita.co.uk

I just plugged my electricity usage since late September into my spreadsheet and I would have saved a total of £6 over the three months had I been with Utilita instead of being on Octopus Agile. Utilita works out a few pence cheaper each weekday when I use no more than 2.5kwh/day, but up to 40p 70p more expensive than Agile at the weekend or if I'm at home most of the day when I can use up to 6.5kwh.

On the other hand, the weekly free Costa coffee from Octopus is worth about £4 and Agile will save me a lot more during spring and summer, so I'll be staying put.

Costa? They do costa now do they?

I usually get a Nero, as you can have a large and have a syrup shot too. That came to £5 last time I had one (although that was a Nero in a big city train station). 

GingerTim

pete-20-11 said:

GingerTim said:

QrizB said:

Patr100 said:

bristolleedsfan said:

Someone has posted example of Utilita Prepayment No Standing Charge Tariff rates elsewhere.

E - Unit Rate 1 - 58.450p   Unit Rate 2 - 24.560p

G  Unit Rate 1 - 21.831p    Unit Rate 2 -  5.943p

Just to be clear, rate 1 is non SC, rate 2 is with?

Rate 1 is for the first two kWh per day. Rate 2 is for all the subsequent ones.

From Utilita's website:

 How does the structure of this tariff work?
Our Smart Energy tariff has two unit rates and no Standing Charge. First Rate is collected for the first 2 kWh of electricity or 2 kWh of gas used per day. Saver Rate applies for all remaining kWh of electricity or gas used in the day.

You can find your regional tariff via https://join.utilita.co.uk

I just plugged my electricity usage since late September into my spreadsheet and I would have saved a total of £6 over the three months had I been with Utilita instead of being on Octopus Agile. Utilita works out a few pence cheaper each weekday when I use no more than 2.5kwh/day, but up to 40p 70p more expensive than Agile at the weekend or if I'm at home most of the day when I can use up to 6.5kwh.

On the other hand, the weekly free Costa coffee from Octopus is worth about £4 and Agile will save me a lot more during spring and summer, so I'll be staying put.

Costa? They do costa now do they?

I usually get a Nero, as you can have a large and have a syrup shot too. That came to £5 last time I had one (although that was a Nero in a big city train station). 

A slip for Nero!

Qyburn

If they force suppliers to offer a tariff without S/C, and with a standard unit rate, then they'll have to assume that all low users are going to pick that. And all high users will remain on the conventional tariff, so there's nobody paying extra to subsidise the low users. Assuming they want suppliers to stay in business that's going to mean a general price rise.

Patr100

If they embed/hide what was previously the SC in the first 2 units - this is  likely to be a pointless shift for most very low users
eg myself on average 3.5 to 4 Kwh daily use.

Hoenir

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

It would be a tax on polluters, which is who we should tax. 

As I said, a tax on the poor who have no alternative. These could be people who need their cars for essential jobs such as care home workers etc. Until we have public charging stations that are the same price to use as home chargers it will be a tax on the poor. 

 However if this was funded from taxation (the tax on ICE vehicles) then the infrastructure cost could be written off at point of installation and the energy cost could be charged at whatever the rate is plus a small markup to account for network upkeep. 

Sounds like an idea from the current Government. No thought as to it's wider social or economic implications. Perhaps the real answer is to move away from car ownership all together. The destruction caused by mining alone is going to be telling. 

MattMattMattUK

Hoenir said:

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

It would be a tax on polluters, which is who we should tax. 

As I said, a tax on the poor who have no alternative. These could be people who need their cars for essential jobs such as care home workers etc. Until we have public charging stations that are the same price to use as home chargers it will be a tax on the poor. 

 However if this was funded from taxation (the tax on ICE vehicles) then the infrastructure cost could be written off at point of installation and the energy cost could be charged at whatever the rate is plus a small markup to account for network upkeep. 

Sounds like an idea from the current Government. No thought as to it's wider social or economic implications. Perhaps the real answer is to move away from car ownership all together. The destruction caused by mining alone is going to be telling. 

The environmental damage from mining can be mitigated and mines can be fully regenerated afterwards. It also makes sense to accept the lesser of two evils, so a small amount of short term environmental degradation from mining so that we can mitigate the long term damage from climate change.

I agree that we can and should be looking to improve public transport, but also we have to accept that people are not going to accept a substantial drop in lifestyle quality when an environmentally sound solution cam be found.