MSE News: More energy deals with NO standing charges finally on the cards

SAC2334

No standing charge option was standard especially on prepayment meters when I started meter reading in 1998 when not many understood about the raised unit price on block tariff metering and they mostly all ended up paying for the charge anyway.
The hundreds of thousands of fiddler's bypassing the meter s anyway using no units will now get away with standing charges as well as free energy with the hottest houses in the street ..
The standing charges  building up on the prepayment meters was one of the ways I would catch them out  finding eg  £200 owed on the prepayment meters 

Seeing as electric standing charge now already  has debt added for fiddler's and none payers at £15 per year  extra on electric standing charge  all what will happen will be the standing charge   will increase even further ,maybe up to £1 a day in some regions to cover the losses . 
Sorry Martin , you mean well but I m pretty sure my £0.65 a day will be rising fast and it's bad idea all round . 

Bendo

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

It would be a tax on polluters, which is who we should tax. 

Given pretty much all goods you buy in shops arrive by HGV, I trust you would be happy paying the increased cost that would be  put on everything to cover your proposed tax?

Qyburn

When Ofgem published their options paper they stated that suppliers weren't allowed to offer a zero or reduced standing charge tariff which exceeded the price cap at any usage. So as illustrated in their graphics the increased unit rate could only be levied up to a certain point.

MattMattMattUK

Bendo said:

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

It would be a tax on polluters, which is who we should tax. 

Given pretty much all goods you buy in shops arrive by HGV, I trust you would be happy paying the increased cost that would be  put on everything to cover your proposed tax?

Yes, I would. It would also encourage freight to move to electric HGVs which would also be a good thing. 

badmemory

What is it they say - the more things change the more they stay the same.  Standing charges started because of the complaints about the 2 levels of charges as the standing charges were added to the first units of use.  Now we are going back to that because of the complaints about the standing charges.  They will gouge the same amount out of us whichever way they do it.

What they really need to stop is all the profits from ALL our essential services going abroad along with adding unmanageable debts so we are stuck with those too.

jeffuk

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

It would be a tax on polluters, which is who we should tax. 

As I said, a tax on the poor who have no alternative. These could be people who need their cars for essential jobs such as care home workers etc. Until we have public charging stations that are the same price to use as home chargers it will be a tax on the poor. 

born_again

MattMattMattUK said:

Scot_39 said:

But the time for the carrot - like the temporary ASHP grants - the take up of which has been underwhelming according to some reports - is now passing - just as many of the grants and some of the tax breaks for EV drivers are now gone or going - and if govts are serious about net zero - the sticks will clearly be required.

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, use that money to fund expanding the charging network at those figures it would raise £4.6 billion in the first year and with expected behavioural changes probably £9 billion in year two, £12 billion in year three etc. Public charging on lamp posts, roll it out to car parks etc. EVs are already cheaper to run than ICE vehicles, but there can be issues for some with charging, so use the revenue to fund that expansion. 

Implement a 20% tax on gas usage, increase that 20% per year for the four years after until it reaches 100%, use that revenue to subsidise heat pump installations and insulation. 

I agree on ICE fuel duty. Same as has happened with duty on cigs.

As to gas, well I would love a ASHP. But even with the £7.5K grant I still can not afford to get one fitted. 

jeffuk

MattMattMattUK said:

Bendo said:

MattMattMattUK said:

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

It would be a tax on polluters, which is who we should tax. 

Given pretty much all goods you buy in shops arrive by HGV, I trust you would be happy paying the increased cost that would be  put on everything to cover your proposed tax?

Yes, I would. It would also encourage freight to move to electric HGVs which would also be a good thing. 

How does the range of an electric HGV compare to a diesel HGV?

The average range of the electric trucks we reviewed is 220 km, far lower than that of a diesel HGV. A typical diesel HGV can travel over 1,200 km on a full tank of diesel. This long-range, combined with a more established network of refuelling stations, is one why diesel vehicles have dominated the freight industry and it has been challenging for Electric trucks to HGVs.

The Electric HGV / Lorry Guide 2024 | Electric Car Guide

QrizB

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Yes, I would. It would also encourage freight to move to electric HGVs which would also be a good thing. 

How does the range of an electric HGV compare to a diesel HGV?

The average range of the electric trucks we reviewed is 220 km, far lower than that of a diesel HGV. A typical diesel HGV can travel over 1,200 km on a full tank of diesel. This long-range, combined with a more established network of refuelling stations, is one why diesel vehicles have dominated the freight industry and it has been challenging for Electric trucks to HGVs.

The Electric HGV / Lorry Guide 2024 | Electric Car Guide

That's a red herring.

HGV drivers need to stop for mandatory rest breaks (every 4.5 hours, I think?). A perfect opportinuity to recharge the truck.

matelodave

jeffuk said:

MattMattMattUK said:

Increase fuel duty by 10p a litre this year and 10p a litre every year after and add 10% duty to all ICE vehicles, 

Wouldn't that be a tax on the poor who can't afford an EV/don't have access to home charging?

not forgetting those that live where there is no public transport and are already having to pay more for their energy as most will be on oil, lpg, leccy and even worse(according to some) woodburners.

I cant afford a switch to a new or even second-hand electric car, nor solar panels or even a battery and even if I did I'm now too old to se a return on any investment for them.  I did take the plunge 14 years ago and got a heat pump which, although it does the job, still costs more than mains gas to run.

Probably the main benefit is that I only have a single standing charge for leccy, but just adding a penny to a kwh increases my leccy bill by £75 a year which is equivalent to an extra 20p a day on a standing charge.

Zero standing charge tariffs work for those who have solar, have batteries, have an electric car or a second home but are of doubtful benefit to those who cant afford all this stuff and are probably living in rented accommodation possibly with less than ideal insulation and heating systems, and not ever so well off. It really doesn't help those who are elderly or infirm or even just retired people who generally have to keep their places warm all day.