PIP was 2nd claim with new conditions but from 15 April 2025 new 3rd claim as advised.

born_again

tifo said:

All above points are noted. Thanks for the input.

I'm still waiting for my assessment report and it's been 2 weeks since requesting it. I might have to call them again and it's a long wait to speak to someone, last time after 2pm it took 45 mins.

Best time to call is when they open. Thats when most reps will be free to take a call.

Spoonie_Turtle

The first time I phoned to request my report, I chose an option, went through the spiel of giving my information, and after a while it cut me off! 
Second time it took me over an hour to speak to someone (via the last option, 'anything else') and the actual speaking to them took less than a minute.  But the long wait was a necessary evil to do what needed to be done.

tifo

Spoonie_Turtle said:

The first time I phoned to request my report, I chose an option, went through the spiel of giving my information, and after a while it cut me off! 
Second time it took me over an hour to speak to someone (via the last option, 'anything else') and the actual speaking to them took less than a minute.  But the long wait was a necessary evil to do what needed to be done.

with me 'anything else' took 45 mins to pick up then the guy passed me to someone else (without telling me and after getting lots of details from me) and the lady i then spoke to said she'll have to type a covering letter as the report does not include my address.

tifo

I received the assessment report at the weekend after 2 weeks and it's disappointing reading.

Whilst the assessor has stated most of what I said, not all, in most of the activities she's used the fact that I have a driving license as a reason that I can do that activity, this is stated in bathing, therapy, dressing, toilet use, going on a journey. It states that because I have adequate vision and limb movement to move I should be able to carry out the activity reliably. So because I can drive I can bathe without aid or help, can put eye drops without help, can dress without help, can go to to the toilet without help and can go on any journey I like anywhere without help.

And because I can walk for shopping for 30 mins without stopping I can walk anywhere for more than 200 metres.

And because my partner accompanies me to hospital visits then I should be able to engage with people without any problems.

What i've said above is all in the report.

By that logic when i can't drive then i should not be able to carry out that activity?

She wrote in the notes about my anxiety and OCD but has totally ignored these for the descriptors, i think citing later that they're not diagnosed even though we discussed them in detail in the assessment.

She's only cited 1 hospital letter as evidence and none of the photos, and then the GP record and my previous PIP report from 2021 and the current PIP form.

What does VB, MOD and OPD mean? They're not in the 'abbreviations used' section but are used a lot (I know what they are now).

From the report I can now see that the decision has quoted some word for word statements and I can believe this as it seems there was not much of a decision made by the case manager, he's just quoted from the report. It was all so quick, assessment report sent to DWP an hour after and decision sent out to me the next day.

Muttleythefrog

Sounds pretty much as anticipated and yes largely copied into the decision you received last month which I understand was zero points for all activities.

"And because my partner accompanies me to hospital visits then I should be able to engage with people without any problems." - I don't understand that explanation as needing support should be considered for applicable scoring descriptors. In the absence of any other justification... the opinions using driving licence for some activities would seem weak.

I'm not surprised the HCP dealt with your OCD claims as they did. 

My advice stands... honestly assess yourself... should you qualify given the criteria... if you think you should then forget reconsideration and appeal and when OCD established in medical details, specialist reports etc then make new claim including it as a disabling condition relevant to activities x,y,z and have a very clear idea of what descriptors you score with. (I wonder if you're firing aimlessly just hoping to hit something because as I've said before... I have no idea how you might qualify for PIP but more importantly you may not have an idea.) Others may disagree with the advice but I think you have killed your own claim by suddenly pulling OCD up at the assessment and not in your form and the lack of evidence to support the problem of OCD or disablements made it easy for them to dismiss. This inconsistency raises the possibility you will not be considered reliable in reporting your claimed problems - a problem you have historically faced before.

If you do not think you meet the criteria to get a PIP award.... forget it and move on!

Spoonie_Turtle

Muttleythefrog said:

My advice stands... honestly assess yourself... should you qualify given the criteria... if you think you should then forget reconsideration and appeal and when OCD established in medical details, specialist reports etc then make new claim including it as a disabling condition relevant to activities x,y,z and have a very clear idea of what descriptors you score with. 

Completely agree.

Don't get bogged down by the report.  You need to know what you should score and why, because that's all that will get you an award.  Setting the record straight for the assessment report won't.    - Which is along the lines of what I always say to people looking to do an MR; you can refute faulty reasoning where relevant, but challenging the report in itself isn't what matters.  Making your case for the relevant descriptors is the important thing.

teaselMay

Op what do you think you should score in all of the descriptors? And why

born_again

tifo said:

I received the assessment report at the weekend after 2 weeks and it's disappointing reading.

Whilst the assessor has stated most of what I said, not all, in most of the activities she's used the fact that I have a driving license as a reason that I can do that activity, this is stated in bathing, therapy, dressing, toilet use, going on a journey. It states that because I have adequate vision and limb movement to move I should be able to carry out the activity reliably. So because I can drive I can bathe without aid or help, can put eye drops without help, can dress without help, can go to to the toilet without help and can go on any journey I like anywhere without help.

And because I can walk for shopping for 30 mins without stopping I can walk anywhere for more than 200 metres.

And because my partner accompanies me to hospital visits then I should be able to engage with people without any problems.

What i've said above is all in the report.

By that logic when i can't drive then i should not be able to carry out that activity?

She wrote in the notes about my anxiety and OCD but has totally ignored these for the descriptors, i think citing later that they're not diagnosed even though we discussed them in detail in the assessment.

She's only cited 1 hospital letter as evidence and none of the photos, and then the GP record and my previous PIP report from 2021 and the current PIP form.

What does VB, MOD and OPD mean? They're not in the 'abbreviations used' section but are used a lot (I know what they are now).

From the report I can now see that the decision has quoted some word for word statements and I can believe this as it seems there was not much of a decision made by the case manager, he's just quoted from the report. It was all so quick, assessment report sent to DWP an hour after and decision sent out to me the next day.

Do you use any aids in these activities? If so, were they listed?

Do you drive on your own?
Do you need help going on a journey? Is this documented?

TBH. if you can walk round a supermarket, for 30 mins then in reality, you can walk 200 metres

Hospital one is really wrong, as it should not include anyone helping you. But we get that with Mrs PIP.

All in all, I agree with other posts, that you need a long hard look at your claim. How you are filling it in & answering the questions.

peteuk

tifo said:

I received the assessment report at the weekend after 2 weeks and it's disappointing reading.

Whilst the assessor has stated most of what I said, not all, in most of the activities she's used the fact that I have a driving license as a reason that I can do that activity, this is stated in bathing, therapy, dressing, toilet use, going on a journey. It states that because I have adequate vision and limb movement to move I should be able to carry out the activity reliably. So because I can drive I can bathe without aid or help, can put eye drops without help, can dress without help, can go to to the toilet without help and can go on any journey I like anywhere without help.

And because I can walk for shopping for 30 mins without stopping I can walk anywhere for more than 200 metres.

And because my partner accompanies me to hospital visits then I should be able to engage with people without any problems.

What i've said above is all in the report.

By that logic when i can't drive then i should not be able to carry out that activity?

She wrote in the notes about my anxiety and OCD but has totally ignored these for the descriptors, i think citing later that they're not diagnosed even though we discussed them in detail in the assessment.

She's only cited 1 hospital letter as evidence and none of the photos, and then the GP record and my previous PIP report from 2021 and the current PIP form.

What does VB, MOD and OPD mean? They're not in the 'abbreviations used' section but are used a lot (I know what they are now).

From the report I can now see that the decision has quoted some word for word statements and I can believe this as it seems there was not much of a decision made by the case manager, he's just quoted from the report. It was all so quick, assessment report sent to DWP an hour after and decision sent out to me the next day.

So it’s already been stated that the fact you drive shows you have a good range of movement and strength in your ankles and knees.   Your poor eyesight isn’t enough for a professional to either advise you hand back your licence or direct you to do so.

Certain activities are are assessed on certain types of conditions, so yes the fact you can drive will be used in more than one way.. the assessor takes the path of lease resistance, so if theirs more evidence to say you can than says you cant, it’s easier to write a report saying you can.

Personally as I have said before you currently dont pass the high bar to claim PIP, thats not to say you dont have the conditions, just right now they dont affect your life enough to claim.   

tifo

peteuk said:

tifo said:

I received the assessment report at the weekend after 2 weeks and it's disappointing reading.

Whilst the assessor has stated most of what I said, not all, in most of the activities she's used the fact that I have a driving license as a reason that I can do that activity, this is stated in bathing, therapy, dressing, toilet use, going on a journey. It states that because I have adequate vision and limb movement to move I should be able to carry out the activity reliably. So because I can drive I can bathe without aid or help, can put eye drops without help, can dress without help, can go to to the toilet without help and can go on any journey I like anywhere without help.

And because I can walk for shopping for 30 mins without stopping I can walk anywhere for more than 200 metres.

And because my partner accompanies me to hospital visits then I should be able to engage with people without any problems.

What i've said above is all in the report.

By that logic when i can't drive then i should not be able to carry out that activity?

She wrote in the notes about my anxiety and OCD but has totally ignored these for the descriptors, i think citing later that they're not diagnosed even though we discussed them in detail in the assessment.

She's only cited 1 hospital letter as evidence and none of the photos, and then the GP record and my previous PIP report from 2021 and the current PIP form.

What does VB, MOD and OPD mean? They're not in the 'abbreviations used' section but are used a lot (I know what they are now).

From the report I can now see that the decision has quoted some word for word statements and I can believe this as it seems there was not much of a decision made by the case manager, he's just quoted from the report. It was all so quick, assessment report sent to DWP an hour after and decision sent out to me the next day.

So it’s already been stated that the fact you drive shows you have a good range of movement and strength in your ankles and knees.   Your poor eyesight isn’t enough for a professional to either advise you hand back your licence or direct you to do so.

Certain activities are are assessed on certain types of conditions, so yes the fact you can drive will be used in more than one way.. the assessor takes the path of lease resistance, so if theirs more evidence to say you can than says you cant, it’s easier to write a report saying you can.

Personally as I have said before you currently dont pass the high bar to claim PIP, thats not to say you dont have the conditions, just right now they dont affect your life enough to claim.   

"Certain activities are are assessed on certain types of conditions, so yes the fact you can drive will be used in more than one way".

I understand that but like I said, driving seems to be used as a reason for giving 0 points on activities which, to me, are unrelated to driving, such as bathing or going to the toilet or putting eye drops in. Thus here I genuinely don't understand how some people get points on daily PIP activities and some even enough on mobility to get a motability car for which they need to drive.