EV Public Charging Rip Off and Chaos

Brie

cheaper than petrol and diesel?  I'm just back from Canada and the prices for both of those is hugely cheaper.  Are we supposed to complain about that?   We pay what, £1.60 a litre for diesel here and in Canada it's $1.35 which is about 85p?  Must admit I was greatly amused at the higher prices at some places because it's full service - they fill your tank, wash you windscreen and, in some cases, as appropriate, get a biscuit for your hound dog.

MattMattMattUK

Some pricing below to put things in context.
EV cost per mile, for something like a Nissan Leaf or Tesla Model 3
Cost per kWh / Miles per kWh / Cost per mile
7p / 4.35 / 1.61p per mile
23p / 4.35 / 5.29p per mile
65p / 4.35 / 14.95p per mile
75p / 4.35 / 17.25p per mile

Petrol Car, range of MPG figures, based on current £1.40 per litre of petrol
MPG / Cost per Gallon / Cost per mile
25 / 635.6 / 25.42p per mile
35 / 635.6 / 18.16p per mile
45 / 635.6 / 14.12p per mile
55 / 635.6 / 11.56p per mile.

So the reality is that one has to be public charging to get a worst cost per mile in an EV than in a petrol car, even on a normal tariff (not EV) then the cost is less than half the best cars out there (real world, not made up MPG figures), even normal fast charging of around 65p per kWh is comparable to 45MPG which is better than most people get out of an ICE car. With many places now having destination chargers, 7/11/22kWh that charge in the 25-40p range even a long journey when one is staying overnight is going to be significantly cheaper than an ICE vehicle. 

born_again

Petriix said:

In my opinion, people should be able to access their home energy tariff while charging away from home, with a small mark up for the administration. The majority of the cost should be borne by the big companies which profit from road use. This is, however, unlikely to come to pass given the current narrow (and highly regressive) economic consensus. Sorry folks, we couldn't prevent a catastrophic climate disaster because it wouldn't have generated enough profit... 

So who is going to pay to install & run the chargers?

Who are the big companies who profit from road use?

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I don't think it has been mentioned yet, but you only pay 5% VAT on your home electricity, Business electricity is 20% VAT, so even if the charger sold electricity at zero markup from your domestic rate of 22p - it would still cost 25p....

Goudy

It's not just big companies on the make.
Some on street chargers have a parking fee as well.

On my street the lamp post chargers are 61p/kwh plus 12p connection charge and if you haven't a permit, £5.10 and hour parking paid to the council.

I guess this guy only paid £2.55 an hour though.

Grumpy_chap

Goudy said:

It's not just big companies on the make.
Some on street chargers have a parking fee as well.

On my street the lamp post chargers are 61p/kwh plus 12p connection charge and if you haven't a permit, £5.10 and hour parking paid to the council.

I guess this guy on paid £2.55 an hour though.

That individual would appear to need a trip to Specsavers 😉
Hopefully it cost them at least a fixed penalty on top of whatever the parking and electricity fees were.

Petriix

born_again said:

Petriix said:

In my opinion, people should be able to access their home energy tariff while charging away from home, with a small mark up for the administration. The majority of the cost should be borne by the big companies which profit from road use. This is, however, unlikely to come to pass given the current narrow (and highly regressive) economic consensus. Sorry folks, we couldn't prevent a catastrophic climate disaster because it wouldn't have generated enough profit... 

So who is going to pay to install & run the chargers?

Who are the big companies who profit from road use?

Mainly supermarkets and online retailers but also any large employers who require staff to commute to work. It seems ludicrous to me that such companies can exploit public infrastructure and extract huge profits without making a reasonable contribution. 

We're in a position of urgently needing to decarbonise the economy. The only sensible course of action is to force the biggest carbon emitters to fund the transition. 

born_again

Petriix said:

born_again said:

Petriix said:

In my opinion, people should be able to access their home energy tariff while charging away from home, with a small mark up for the administration. The majority of the cost should be borne by the big companies which profit from road use. This is, however, unlikely to come to pass given the current narrow (and highly regressive) economic consensus. Sorry folks, we couldn't prevent a catastrophic climate disaster because it wouldn't have generated enough profit... 

So who is going to pay to install & run the chargers?

Who are the big companies who profit from road use?

Mainly supermarkets and online retailers but also any large employers who require staff to commute to work. It seems ludicrous to me that such companies can exploit public infrastructure and extract huge profits without making a reasonable contribution. 

We're in a position of urgently needing to decarbonise the economy. The only sensible course of action is to force the biggest carbon emitters to fund the transition. 

So how do they profit from road use? If a staff member has a ICE or EV that is a personal choice & company make no extra profit either way.
In fact if company offer free EV charging. Then that is costing them money...

It is a personal choice (at the moment) over what people drive. No company forces people on this, although you can get great tax breaks for choosing a EV. 

Arunmor

I'm just waiting for the day to come when EV drivers pay their fair share for using the roads, instead of moaning they can't get their KWs for 7p! 

Personally I'll stick to ICE.

ididgetwhereiamtoday

Arunmor said:

I'm just waiting for the day to come when EV drivers pay their fair share for using the roads, instead of moaning they can't get their KWs for 7p! 

Personally I'll stick to ICE.

I’m just waiting for the day when those smelly polluting ICE cars are no longer polluting the inside of my car when I’m behind them.