Who is the Registered Keeper Between Selling Car and DVLA Updating Their Record?

Nsar1

Okell said:

Nsar1 said:

molerat said:

The bigger question, which has been alluded to earlier, is why the V5 is not recognised ?  

Have you been receiving V11 tax reminders ?  

What date was the last V5 issued on the vehicle check site - https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk/ - does that tally with the V5 held ?

If not what was the date of the V5 held ?

The date on the check site is correct (for the date we purchased the car). Yes we have been getting tax reminders

So are you saying the V5C number is recognised on the vehicleenquiry website but not on the DVLA website?

Are you sure you input the correct number on the DVLA site?  No typos anywhere?

V5C number isn't listed on the vehicle enquiry site. If the DVLA site recognised the number I wouldn't be asking the question. 

Rover_Driver

If you enter the V5C number at the 'view tax rates' at the bottom of the Vehicleenquiry website, if the number is correct, it will work, and show the details.
 
If the number is correct, until the DVLA  update their register, the current regisered keeper (seller) can declare the vehicle SORN using that number (but the SORN would be cancelled when the DVLA update the register), or the new keeper (buyer) can declare it SORN using the number on the green 'New Keeper' slip.

Nsar1

Rover_Driver said:

If you enter the V5C number at the 'view tax rates' at the bottom of the Vehicleenquiry website, if the number is correct, it will work, and show the details.
 
If the number is correct, until the DVLA  update their register, the current regisered keeper (seller) can declare the vehicle SORN using that number, or the new keeper (buyer) can declare it SORN using the number on the green 'New Keeper' slip.

I have no intention of declaring it SORN, I simply used that to illustrate the question. As you describe, this state of limbo allows someone with no connection with the car any more to have the ability to act as if they have.

I'm not sure is much going to be achieved here by further discussion, so thanks.

Rover_Driver

Nsar1 said:

 As you describe, this state of limbo allows someone with no connection with the car any more to have the ability to act as if they have.

But only in respect of vehicle licensing (or SORN). The 'old' keeper would not have any ability to act as if they have any connection the vehicle in other matters.
Any enquiries during the time between the sale and the register being updated may start with the 'old' keeper, before being transferred to the 'new' keeper. 

TooManyPoints

I'm not sure is much going to be achieved here by further discussion, so thanks.

I'm not sure that much was achieved anyway. You were told early on that you remain the RK until the DVLA alter their records (their records being the "Register of Keepers"). You simply didn't seem to like that answer. and kept re-posing the question.

Even those suggesting I'm the RK agree that the Police wouldn't pursue me.

They will pursue you in the first instance. You will continue to receive any correspondence to do with the vehicle (e.g. speeding allegations) until the DVLA's records are changed. The police have nobody else to contact because they don't know about the bloke you sold the car to. Whilst you are the Registered Keeper, even though you no longer have anything to do with the car, when asked by the police you have a duty to provide any information which it is in your power to give and may lead to identification of the driver. Failure to do so will land you with six points. So you would tell the police about the bloke you sold it to. You wouldn't have to prove it at that stage but you might if the bloke you sold it to denies that he bought it from you.

Very often you have to deal with the law as it is, not as you'd like it to be.

molerat

Nsar1 said:

Okell said:

Nsar1 said:

The date on the check site is correct (for the date we purchased the car). Yes we have been getting tax reminders

So are you saying the V5C number is recognised on the vehicleenquiry website but not on the DVLA website?

Are you sure you input the correct number on the DVLA site?  No typos anywhere?

V5C number isn't listed on the vehicle enquiry site. If the DVLA site recognised the number I wouldn't be asking the question. 

Rover_Driver said:

If you enter the V5C number at the 'view tax rates' at the bottom of the Vehicleenquiry website, if the number is correct, it will work, and show the details.

Have you tried doing this ?

Nsar1

TooManyPoints said:

I'm not sure is much going to be achieved here by further discussion, so thanks.

I'm not sure that much was achieved anyway. You were told early on that you remain the RK until the DVLA alter their records (their records being the "Register of Keepers"). You simply didn't seem to like that answer. and kept re-posing the question.

Even those suggesting I'm the RK agree that the Police wouldn't pursue me.

They will pursue you in the first instance. You will continue to receive any correspondence to do with the vehicle (e.g. speeding allegations) until the DVLA's records are changed. The police have nobody else to contact because they don't know about the bloke you sold the car to. Whilst you are the Registered Keeper, even though you no longer have anything to do with the car, when asked by the police you have a duty to provide any information which it is in your power to give and may lead to identification of the driver. Failure to do so will land you with six points. So you would tell the police about the bloke you sold it to. You wouldn't have to prove it at that stage but you might if the bloke you sold it to denies that he bought it from you.

Very often you have to deal with the law as it is, not as you'd like it to be.

People expressed an opinion and then, as you have done here, contradicted themselves by pointing out that if the new keeper committed an offence the Police would not regard me as being the registered keeper. When I showed them how one police force (and presumably others) define registered keeper, they just dismissed it because it contradicted their opinion. People are entitled to their opinions, but it doesn't mean they are valid.

Okell

Nsar1 said:

TooManyPoints said:

I'm not sure is much going to be achieved here by further discussion, so thanks.

I'm not sure that much was achieved anyway. You were told early on that you remain the RK until the DVLA alter their records (their records being the "Register of Keepers"). You simply didn't seem to like that answer. and kept re-posing the question.

Even those suggesting I'm the RK agree that the Police wouldn't pursue me.

They will pursue you in the first instance. You will continue to receive any correspondence to do with the vehicle (e.g. speeding allegations) until the DVLA's records are changed. The police have nobody else to contact because they don't know about the bloke you sold the car to. Whilst you are the Registered Keeper, even though you no longer have anything to do with the car, when asked by the police you have a duty to provide any information which it is in your power to give and may lead to identification of the driver. Failure to do so will land you with six points. So you would tell the police about the bloke you sold it to. You wouldn't have to prove it at that stage but you might if the bloke you sold it to denies that he bought it from you.

Very often you have to deal with the law as it is, not as you'd like it to be.

People expressed an opinion and then, as you have done here, contradicted themselves by pointing out that if the new keeper committed an offence the Police would not regard me as being the registered keeper. When I showed them how one police force (and presumably others) define registered keeper, they just dismissed it because it contradicted their opinion. People are entitled to their opinions, but it doesn't mean they are valid.

There is no contradiction   

What you've been told is that you remain the registered keeper until DVLA process the change when it will take retrospective effect.

If in the interim the new owner is caught speeding the police will contact you initially as you are the RK of record, but when you demonstrate to them that you've sold the car and that you are in the process of getting the RK changed to the new owner, they will leave you alone and go after the new owner.  

What part of that don't you understand or what part do you think is a contradiction?

molerat said:

Nsar1 said:

Okell said:

Nsar1 said:

The date on the check site is correct (for the date we purchased the car). Yes we have been getting tax reminders

So are you saying the V5C number is recognised on the vehicleenquiry website but not on the DVLA website?

Are you sure you input the correct number on the DVLA site?  No typos anywhere?

V5C number isn't listed on the vehicle enquiry site. If the DVLA site recognised the number I wouldn't be asking the question. 

Rover_Driver said:

If you enter the V5C number at the 'view tax rates' at the bottom of the Vehicleenquiry website, if the number is correct, it will work, and show the details.

Have you tried doing this ?

Have you????

The real question that ought to be of most significance to you is why the DVLA website didn't recognise your V5C in the first place...

Rover_Driver

What would happen is the police (or other authority making enquires) would first contact the registered keeper, as the DVLA  register is the only record that connects vehicles to people. The seller just has to inform them of the circumstances of their connection to the vehicle - sale etc..The fact that they are still the registered keeper is irrelevant. 
It is the person keeping the vehicle (not necssarily the registered keeper), or any other person, that has to comply with s.172,(2),(a+b),  Road Traffic Act 1988 in respect of providing information etc., 

Car_54

Nsar1 said:

People expressed an opinion and then, as you have done here, contradicted themselves by pointing out that if the new keeper committed an offence the Police would not regard me as being the registered keeper. When I showed them how one police force (and presumably others) define registered keeper, they just dismissed it because it contradicted their opinion. People are entitled to their opinions, but it doesn't mean they are valid.

The Registered Keeper is whoever is recorded as such by the DVLA. They act on behalf of the Secretary of State, using powers granted by parliament under the Vehicle and Excise and Registration Act 1994.

The police are responsible for enforcing the law, not writing or changing it. They can say they define the RK however they like, but they are wrong.