Who is the Registered Keeper Between Selling Car and DVLA Updating Their Record?

RandomTourist

Three concepts here which get muddled.

Owner - someone whose property the vehicle is, usually evidenced by a bill of sale or a receipt

Registered keeper - whoever is so registered with DVLA at the time - so there's a time lag between handing a car over and changing keeper

Keeper - whoever has the vehicle in their care and control at that moment.

So possibly

Owner - lease company

Registered keeper - Joe Bloggs, leasing from the owner, who lends his car to his wife for the day

Keeper - Mrs Bloggs

Owner - John Smith, who has just bought the car from Jane Doe

Registered keeper - Jane Doe (because DVLA haven't caught up yet, or the paperwork is in the post to them)

Keeper - John Smith, as he's driven the car away from Jane's address and has control and care of the vehicle

Nsar1

RandomTourist said:

Three concepts here which get muddled.

Owner - someone whose property the vehicle is, usually evidenced by a bill of sale or a receipt

Registered keeper - whoever is so registered with DVLA at the time - so there's a time lag between handing a car over and changing keeper

Keeper - whoever has the vehicle in their care and control at that moment.

So possibly

Owner - lease company

Registered keeper - Joe Bloggs, leasing from the owner, who lends his car to his wife for the day

Keeper - Mrs Bloggs

Owner - John Smith, who has just bought the car from Jane Doe

Registered keeper - Jane Doe (because DVLA haven't caught up yet, or the paperwork is in the post to them)

Keeper - John Smith, as he's driven the car away from Jane's address and has control and care of the vehicle

From (amongst others) the West Yorkshire Police Website: "The registered keeper should be the person who is actually using / keeping the vehicle and this is not necessarily the owner of the vehicle or the person who is paying for it." This the problem: the registered keeper (until the DVLA update their register) is someone who is not the registered keeper in the eyes of the law.

Car_54

daveyjp said:

Nsar1 said:

MEM62 said:

Nsar1 said:

But as of this moment, a letter from me is somewhere in the post to DVLA but may not be processed for weeks, but I'm neither the keeper nor owner of the car.

When the document is received and processed by DVLA the changeover date will be the date of sale shown on the logbook.  There is no void or changeover period.    

I understand that the date, when it is eventually processed by the DVLA will be the date of sale. My question is who is the registered keeper in the weeks before the DVLA process the information I have posted to them?

As explained above.  The change of keeper takes effect as soon as the transfer document on the V5C is signed and dated by the parties. 

 If the new keeper drives the car away and immediately gets a speeding camera ticket they are responsible as the buyer and seller both have a piece of the V5C evidencing when the registered keeper changed.

In your example, the OP would still be the RK so far as the DVLA was concerned. It is to him that the police would send the NIP.

Nsar1

Car_54 said:

daveyjp said:

Nsar1 said:

MEM62 said:

Nsar1 said:

But as of this moment, a letter from me is somewhere in the post to DVLA but may not be processed for weeks, but I'm neither the keeper nor owner of the car.

When the document is received and processed by DVLA the changeover date will be the date of sale shown on the logbook.  There is no void or changeover period.    

I understand that the date, when it is eventually processed by the DVLA will be the date of sale. My question is who is the registered keeper in the weeks before the DVLA process the information I have posted to them?

As explained above.  The change of keeper takes effect as soon as the transfer document on the V5C is signed and dated by the parties. 

 If the new keeper drives the car away and immediately gets a speeding camera ticket they are responsible as the buyer and seller both have a piece of the V5C evidencing when the registered keeper changed.

In your example, the OP would still be the RK so far as the DVLA was concerned. It is to him that the police would send the NIP.

But I would then write back to say I haven't been the keeper since (date) and show them the receipt for the sale signed by both parties and the letter sent the next day to DVLA. The question remains

Car_54

Nsar1 said:

Car_54 said:

daveyjp said:

Nsar1 said:

MEM62 said:

Nsar1 said:

But as of this moment, a letter from me is somewhere in the post to DVLA but may not be processed for weeks, but I'm neither the keeper nor owner of the car.

When the document is received and processed by DVLA the changeover date will be the date of sale shown on the logbook.  There is no void or changeover period.    

I understand that the date, when it is eventually processed by the DVLA will be the date of sale. My question is who is the registered keeper in the weeks before the DVLA process the information I have posted to them?

As explained above.  The change of keeper takes effect as soon as the transfer document on the V5C is signed and dated by the parties. 

 If the new keeper drives the car away and immediately gets a speeding camera ticket they are responsible as the buyer and seller both have a piece of the V5C evidencing when the registered keeper changed.

In your example, the OP would still be the RK so far as the DVLA was concerned. It is to him that the police would send the NIP.

But I would then write back to say I haven't been the keeper since (date) and show them the receipt for the sale signed by both parties and the letter sent the next day to DVLA. The question remains

And that should be the end of the matter (at least for you).

As for "the question remains", the only relevant fact is that you would be on record as the RK until the DVLA do an update, and it is to you that any NIPs, parking penalties, etc. would be sent. Whether or not the DVLA backdate the change doesn't alter that.

Jenni_D

As per above. Any NIP you receive (which would most probably be a S172 request for driver details) you would reply to giving details of the person who bought the vehicle (and maybe including a photocopy of whatever proof you have of sale) and that should be the end of it. The new "keeper" would then receive their own S172 request.

born_again

Nsar1 said:

Car_54 said:

daveyjp said:

Nsar1 said:

MEM62 said:

Nsar1 said:

But as of this moment, a letter from me is somewhere in the post to DVLA but may not be processed for weeks, but I'm neither the keeper nor owner of the car.

When the document is received and processed by DVLA the changeover date will be the date of sale shown on the logbook.  There is no void or changeover period.    

I understand that the date, when it is eventually processed by the DVLA will be the date of sale. My question is who is the registered keeper in the weeks before the DVLA process the information I have posted to them?

As explained above.  The change of keeper takes effect as soon as the transfer document on the V5C is signed and dated by the parties. 

 If the new keeper drives the car away and immediately gets a speeding camera ticket they are responsible as the buyer and seller both have a piece of the V5C evidencing when the registered keeper changed.

In your example, the OP would still be the RK so far as the DVLA was concerned. It is to him that the police would send the NIP.

But I would then write back to say I haven't been the keeper since (date) and show them the receipt for the sale signed by both parties and the letter sent the next day to DVLA. The question remains

Your stressing too much on this.

You have just said what you would do, so stop worrying.

Nsar1

born_again said:

Nsar1 said:

Car_54 said:

daveyjp said:

Nsar1 said:

MEM62 said:

Nsar1 said:

But as of this moment, a letter from me is somewhere in the post to DVLA but may not be processed for weeks, but I'm neither the keeper nor owner of the car.

When the document is received and processed by DVLA the changeover date will be the date of sale shown on the logbook.  There is no void or changeover period.    

I understand that the date, when it is eventually processed by the DVLA will be the date of sale. My question is who is the registered keeper in the weeks before the DVLA process the information I have posted to them?

As explained above.  The change of keeper takes effect as soon as the transfer document on the V5C is signed and dated by the parties. 

 If the new keeper drives the car away and immediately gets a speeding camera ticket they are responsible as the buyer and seller both have a piece of the V5C evidencing when the registered keeper changed.

In your example, the OP would still be the RK so far as the DVLA was concerned. It is to him that the police would send the NIP.

But I would then write back to say I haven't been the keeper since (date) and show them the receipt for the sale signed by both parties and the letter sent the next day to DVLA. The question remains

Your stressing too much on this.

You have just said what you would do, so stop worrying.

It's the buyer who is stressing. He was advised by the DVLA not to drive the car unitl is resolved and had his policy on the new car cancelled. I'm trying to help him.

Jenni_D

Don't you think that's a critical piece of information that should have been provided much earlier? 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Nsar1

Jenni_D said:

Don't you think that's a critical piece of information that should have been provided much earlier? 🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️

How does it affect the answer of who is the registered keeper in this situation? It is simply the context to why I am asking the question.