Speeding Advice / Entrapment

born_again

Alondonboy said:

daveyjp said:

Its advisable not to use cruise in variable limits when they are operating for this exact reason.  Mind off the speed limit sign which is different to the previous one, car continues.

If cruise was set to 59mph what speed were you recorded at on the ticket?

59 which I keep it at to make sure I'm not over the 60. I'm not going to slam on the brakes and drop 10mph immediately, I'll move over when safe to do so and slow down. Remember not all traffic follows the rules so if there's someone behind not paying attention it's easy to case an accident. Always done this and never had a problem before. Safety first.

Just lifting off would have dropped that in no time. So no need to slam on the brakes 🤷‍♀️
As to a accident. That is not your worry, if you get hit from behind that is their fault.
Sadly "not all traffic follows the rules" is shooting yourself in the foot..

vacheron

Just FYI the gantry cameras on the M62 will not activate for the first 3 minutes after an aspect change to prevent motorists from being penalised for exactly this reason, so there is no way that a change from 60-50-60 which was less than 3 minutes between aspect changes would have resulted in the enforcement camera activating.

The cameras also capture, but disregard, the 20 seconds prior to an aspect change, even though the camera will flash. This is why many motorists reported being flashed, but then not receiving any prosecutions in the post.

The cameras also test their flasher module every 24-48 hours, usually around 3am, which has also probably freaked out its fair share of innocent motorists too! 

My reason for knowing this is I designed the LED signals on the M62 ATM project and spent 2 years doing all the compatibility testing with the camera systems (which we do NOT manufacture before anyone lynches me)!

TooManyPoints

Your heading ("Entrapment") is misleading.

Entrapment means encouraging or fooling somebody into doing something (usually commit a crime) which they would not otherwise have done. Nobody has encouraged you to do that. If the limit was properly signed you missed it and you're guilty and if it wasn't you're not guilty.

You have a simple choice: you can either accept any out-of-court offer the police may make (and for that speed it will almost certainly be a course) or you can decline or ignore any offer in which case you will be prosecuted in court. In that event you will be served with the evidence that the police intend to rely on to convict you and once you've seen that you can decide how to proceed.

Police turning the screw and only have days to respond. 

Why are they turning the screw? You must respond to the request for driver's details within the 14 days allowed regardless of any issues you may have with the speeding offence itself. You know you were the driver at the relevant time and place and that's all you need to know in order to provide your response. Even if you are absolutely certain that you are not guilty, you must still do that.

You won't need to decide what to do until you have to say whether you want to accept their offer or not. Courses are not provided for in legislation and the period you will have varies between forces, but they usually want the course to be completed within four months of the date of the offence. With a fixed penalty you must accept the offer within 28 days.

Okell

Keep_pedalling said:

First off you must respond to the NIP with the driver’s details, failure to do so will get you 6 points and a hefty increase in your insurance premiums for failing to identify the driver. For the speed you were doing you will be offered a speed awareness course.

The best place to post regards motoring offences is over on the FTLA forum, but I don’t think the advice you will get is to take the course. 

https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/

Why do you think they would advise not to take the course?  Or do you think the OP has a good defence?

Okell

Alondonboy said:

TadleyBaggie said:

daveyjp said:

Its advisable not to use cruise in variable limits when they are operating for this exact reason.  Mind off the speed limit sign which is different to the previous one, car continues.

Depends on the cruise control, the one on my car detects speed limit signs and on a change prompts me to change to the new limit via the HUD.

My car doesn't but satnav does and didn't alert me or prompt me to, although not using that as an excuse. Just the fact that by the time I'd seen the sign and was in the process of slowing I could see the next set to 60 so never made it down. Got tagged somewhere in between.

As you seem to be responding to a post about cruise control alerting the driver to changes in speed limit, are you saying that your cruise control doesn't, but that your satnav does?

I don't use satnav and know very little about it, but is it possible for satnav to alert the driver to real time changes in variable speed limits?

Particularly when variable limits are operating I think it's pretty daft to rely on anything other than your own eyesight to keep within the limit.  I wouldn't trust technology.

The photos you will have seen are basically just to show you that it was your car.  I've no doubt they will have other photos that show you passing a 50 limit at 59 or whatever.

If they offer you a course I'd take it.  If you accept it was your car you can't really challenge it without getting prosecuted in court.  And then it starts to get expensive...

Man spends £30,000 fighting £100 speeding fine - BBC News

Hoenir

Car_54 said:

Hoenir said:

Driving without due care and attention is hard to defend. 

What is the relevance? The alleged offence is speeding, not DWDC.

Merely making an observation. Drivers becoming dependent on their vehicle rather than being in full control is becoming an increasing issue it seems. 

ThorOdinson

Too many people slow down slowly when limits charge. You need to throw out the anchor and get under the limit before reaching the gantry. Beware of people not paying attention who might not brake in time.

kimwp

Are you saying that the speed limit on one sign changed from 60 to 50 or are you saying that one sign was 60 and the next sign was 50?

user1977

kimwp said:

Are you saying that the speed limit on one sign changed from 60 to 50 or are you saying that one sign was 60 and the next sign was 50?

The latter, is my interpretation. Not really sure what the issue is or why "slamming on the brakes" would be necessary? Isn't the normal limit for enforcement purposes 57mph? So brake from 59 to 56...

Keep_pedalling

Okell said:

Keep_pedalling said:

First off you must respond to the NIP with the driver’s details, failure to do so will get you 6 points and a hefty increase in your insurance premiums for failing to identify the driver. For the speed you were doing you will be offered a speed awareness course.

The best place to post regards motoring offences is over on the FTLA forum, but I don’t think the advice you will get is to take the course. 

https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/

Why do you think they would advise not to take the course?  Or do you think the OP has a good defence?

Senior moment, not sure how that don’t slipped into my reply 😫