Speeding Advice / Entrapment

Alondonboy

Was away 2 weeks ago and got caught by setup on M62. Cruise control set to 59 in a variable speed with all at 60, then suddenly one drops to 50. Before I could slow down it's back up to 60 but within that space I guess I got flashed. Have seen Image from notification but variable speed is not clear on image. Is there any sites where you can get free legal advice to challenge or at least find out where you stand legally. Police turning the screw and only have days to respond. First speeding offense in 40 years, feel stitched up.

born_again

Overhead gantries are well spaced apert, usually at least 1/4 mile, so fail to see  how you could not slow in time. Touching brake should disengage Cruise Control.

If it is your car in the picture then you have no defence. 

Keep_pedalling

First off you must respond to the NIP with the driver’s details, failure to do so will get you 6 points and a hefty increase in your insurance premiums for failing to identify the driver. For the speed you were doing you will be offered a speed awareness course.

The best place to post regards motoring offences is over on the FTLA forum, but I don’t think the advice you will get is to take the course. 

https://www.ftla.uk/speeding-and-other-criminal-offences/

facade

Do you have dashcam evidence that you passed a gantry set to 60, then the next one changed from 60 to 50 while you were watching it,  but before you passed it it went back to 60? (Basically a continuous run showing that every gantry was showing 60 as you passed under it)

If so, fill in the NIP nominating yourself as the driver and ignore any offer of a fixed penalty or course, then when it progresses to court plead not guilty.

Otherwise you can ask for any photographs "to aid in identifying the driver", they usually show your car and the gantry speed in the same frame. The camera enforces the speed showing on the gantry.

I'm afraid that it is likely that you missed the 50 on a gantry and went under it at 60. Normally when the gantry changes to a new speed the camera doesn't enforce it for a few seconds to allow for cars that are too close to slow down safely.

Tbh, you should be offered a course for 59 in a 50, the cheapest least risk & lowest stress option is to take it.

tacpot12

If the next sign hadn't changed the speed limit back up to 60, you would have still been speeding so I don't see that you have been stiched up.

For a first offence, they should offer you a Speed Awareness course or you can pay the fine. £100 is not bad over 40 years. You have probably been speeding plenty of times and not got caught. Few if any of us can say with confidence that we haven't broken the speed limit at some time or other. All you can really say is that the less you do so, the less you are likely to be caught. 

The website you need for help is PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

Keep_pedalling

tacpot12 said:

If the next sign hadn't changed the speed limit back up to 60, you would have still been speeding so I don't see that you have been stiched up.

For a first offence, they should offer you a Speed Awareness course or you can pay the fine. £100 is not bad over 40 years. You have probably been speeding plenty of times and not got caught. Few if any of us can say with confidence that we haven't broken the speed limit at some time or other. All you can really say is that the less you do so, the less you are likely to be caught. 

The website you need for help is PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

That website is no longer functional, use the link to FTLA I put in my previous post.

born_again

tacpot12 said:

If the next sign hadn't changed the speed limit back up to 60, you would have still been speeding so I don't see that you have been stiched up.

For a first offence, they should offer you a Speed Awareness course or you can pay the fine. £100 is not bad over 40 years. You have probably been speeding plenty of times and not got caught. Few if any of us can say with confidence that we haven't broken the speed limit at some time or other. All you can really say is that the less you do so, the less you are likely to be caught. 

The website you need for help is PePiPoo: Helping the motorist to get justice

Their forums have shut down & replaced by the site link as per @Keep_pedalling

mr_stripey

This is a Google AI answer to the question about what happens when speed limits change. Further reading on RAC indicates there is a two minute grace period after a gantry limit is changed before is "catches" speeding drivers. So plenty of time to slow down. Most likely you missed it and were therefore speeding, and possibly not paying attention to.

On smart motorways, overhead gantries can change speed limits to help manage traffic flow and reduce stop-start traffic jams. For example, variable speed limits may be set during busy times, to manage incidents, or in conjunction with a Red X sign. 

When a speed limit changes, the enforcement device will perform a self-check and vehicles passing it may see a flash from the equipment. However, this doesn't necessarily mean that the vehicle is speeding. The police try to ensure that there's a minimum time delay between the change in speed limit and when it's actually enforced, to allow drivers to slow down safely

Hoenir

Driving without due care and attention is hard to defend. Use the vehicle's toys at your own risk. 

daveyjp

Its advisable not to use cruise in variable limits when they are operating for this exact reason.  Mind off the speed limit sign which is different to the previous one, car continues.

If cruise was set to 59mph what speed were you recorded at on the ticket?

Alondonboy

facade said:

Do you have dashcam evidence that you passed a gantry set to 60, then the next one changed from 60 to 50 while you were watching it,  but before you passed it it went back to 60? (Basically a continuous run showing that every gantry was showing 60 as you passed under it)

If so, fill in the NIP nominating yourself as the driver and ignore any offer of a fixed penalty or course, then when it progresses to court plead not guilty.

Otherwise you can ask for any photographs "to aid in identifying the driver", they usually show your car and the gantry speed in the same frame. The camera enforces the speed showing on the gantry.

I'm afraid that it is likely that you missed the 50 on a gantry and went under it at 60. Normally when the gantry changes to a new speed the camera doesn't enforce it for a few seconds to allow for cars that are too close to slow down safely.

Tbh, you should be offered a course for 59 in a 50, the cheapest least risk & lowest stress option is to take it.

I would have had dashcam footage to review but likely overwritten by now. There is a photograph online of 3 images together but the image of the gantry speed limit cannot be read, this was part of my question. Is that evidence they would rely on which would not be conclusive?