Speeding Advice / Entrapment

mr_stripey

the comments about how one should slow down or how quickly are pretty much irrelevant to OP's case as it has been mentioned there is a grace period between the gantry limit changing and speeding fines being issued. 

If it changes "suddenly" and you go past "over" the new limit then no fine is issued 

So given the OP received a NIP then presumably the gantry hadn't suddenly changed and more likley OP was not paying full attention (not judging - we all have lapses)

ElefantEd

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

Regen braking in an EV is, in my experience, a lot fiercer than engine braking in an ICE. We have one of each and I have to adjust my driving style when in the petrol car and actually use the physical brake from time to time.

born_again

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

EV's tend to be worse.
Daughter had a Mini EV. Had a blow out which a tyre place replaced. When she went to pick it up, guy said something seriously wrong with car as every time he took foot off throttle on test drive it stopped... Cracked me up that he had no idea how a EV actually brakes.
My previous Hybrid was great, would keep a nice steady speed while going downhill without touching brakes.

Ectophile

born_again said:

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

EV's tend to be worse.
Daughter had a Mini EV. Had a blow out which a tyre place replaced. When she went to pick it up, guy said something seriously wrong with car as every time he took foot off throttle on test drive it stopped... Cracked me up that he had no idea how a EV actually brakes.
My previous Hybrid was great, would keep a nice steady speed while going downhill without touching brakes.

Not all EVs are the same.  My Renault Zoe will not stop on a level road if I take my foot off the throttle.  It's set up like an old-fashioned automatic, and creeps forward at about 4MPH if I release the brakes.

facade

Don't EVs have a way to control the amount of regenerative braking- so you can go from "coast along" to "hit the windscreen if you lift up"?

If not, try fully charging the traction battery, then it has nowhere to dump the energy, so regeneration should stop.

born_again

Ectophile said:

born_again said:

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

EV's tend to be worse.
Daughter had a Mini EV. Had a blow out which a tyre place replaced. When she went to pick it up, guy said something seriously wrong with car as every time he took foot off throttle on test drive it stopped... Cracked me up that he had no idea how a EV actually brakes.
My previous Hybrid was great, would keep a nice steady speed while going downhill without touching brakes.

Not all EVs are the same.  My Renault Zoe will not stop on a level road if I take my foot off the throttle.  It's set up like an old-fashioned automatic, and creeps forward at about 4MPH if I release the brakes.

Do you not have "B" mode?
Which according to looking at Renault site it does. Which is the regen mode,

https://gb.e-guide.renault.com/eng/Zoe-ph2/GEAR-CONTROL

Ectophile

born_again said:

Ectophile said:

born_again said:

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

EV's tend to be worse.
Daughter had a Mini EV. Had a blow out which a tyre place replaced. When she went to pick it up, guy said something seriously wrong with car as every time he took foot off throttle on test drive it stopped... Cracked me up that he had no idea how a EV actually brakes.
My previous Hybrid was great, would keep a nice steady speed while going downhill without touching brakes.

Not all EVs are the same.  My Renault Zoe will not stop on a level road if I take my foot off the throttle.  It's set up like an old-fashioned automatic, and creeps forward at about 4MPH if I release the brakes.

Do you not have "B" mode?
Which according to looking at Renault site it does. Which is the regen mode,

https://gb.e-guide.renault.com/eng/Zoe-ph2/GEAR-CONTROL

It does have a B mode, and does regeneration in both D and B modes.  But B is a bit more fierce.  In either B or D modes, it also increases the regeneration on gentle braking.

So tend to use D mode all the time.  If I want to slow down more, I gently brake.  It also makes the brake lights come on, for the benefit of the person behind.

Jenni_D

Ectophile said:

born_again said:

Ectophile said:

born_again said:

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

EV's tend to be worse.
Daughter had a Mini EV. Had a blow out which a tyre place replaced. When she went to pick it up, guy said something seriously wrong with car as every time he took foot off throttle on test drive it stopped... Cracked me up that he had no idea how a EV actually brakes.
My previous Hybrid was great, would keep a nice steady speed while going downhill without touching brakes.

Not all EVs are the same.  My Renault Zoe will not stop on a level road if I take my foot off the throttle.  It's set up like an old-fashioned automatic, and creeps forward at about 4MPH if I release the brakes.

Do you not have "B" mode?
Which according to looking at Renault site it does. Which is the regen mode,

https://gb.e-guide.renault.com/eng/Zoe-ph2/GEAR-CONTROL

It does have a B mode, and does regeneration in both D and B modes.  But B is a bit more fierce.  In either B or D modes, it also increases the regeneration on gentle braking.

So tend to use D mode all the time.  If I want to slow down more, I gently brake.  It also makes the brake lights come on, for the benefit of the person behind.

My 2022 MG4 is the same ... regen slows the car down to a fast walking pace (i.e. creeps like a traditional automatic) but it doesn't have One Pedal Driving so it won't come to a total stop. (Later versions had OPD added which the driver can opt to engage).

born_again

Ectophile said:

born_again said:

Ectophile said:

born_again said:

TadleyBaggie said:

born_again said:
There is no need to throw anchor out. You see gantry & lift off the throttle, engine breaking will reduce speed by more than enough for10 mph

Maybe for a ICE but an EV may not do that the same way. 

EV's tend to be worse.
Daughter had a Mini EV. Had a blow out which a tyre place replaced. When she went to pick it up, guy said something seriously wrong with car as every time he took foot off throttle on test drive it stopped... Cracked me up that he had no idea how a EV actually brakes.
My previous Hybrid was great, would keep a nice steady speed while going downhill without touching brakes.

Not all EVs are the same.  My Renault Zoe will not stop on a level road if I take my foot off the throttle.  It's set up like an old-fashioned automatic, and creeps forward at about 4MPH if I release the brakes.

Do you not have "B" mode?
Which according to looking at Renault site it does. Which is the regen mode,

https://gb.e-guide.renault.com/eng/Zoe-ph2/GEAR-CONTROL

It does have a B mode, and does regeneration in both D and B modes.  But B is a bit more fierce.  In either B or D modes, it also increases the regeneration on gentle braking.

So tend to use D mode all the time.  If I want to slow down more, I gently brake.  It also makes the brake lights come on, for the benefit of the person behind.

Regen on my Niro brings the brake lights on when a deceleration limit is reached.

You are aware that using the brake pedal, also uses regen to slow you down to a certain point then the physical brakes kick in?

Alondonboy

vacheron said:

Just FYI the gantry cameras on the M62 will not activate for the first 3 minutes after an aspect change to prevent motorists from being penalised for exactly this reason, so there is no way that a change from 60-50-60 which was less than 3 minutes between aspect changes would have resulted in the enforcement camera activating.

The cameras also capture, but disregard, the 20 seconds prior to an aspect change, even though the camera will flash. This is why many motorists reported being flashed, but then not receiving any prosecutions in the post.

The cameras also test their flasher module every 24-48 hours, usually around 3am, which has also probably freaked out its fair share of innocent motorists too! 

My reason for knowing this is I designed the LED signals on the M62 ATM project and spent 2 years doing all the compatibility testing with the camera systems (which we do NOT manufacture before anyone lynches me)!

To clarify, I'm not saying one individual sign changed from 60>50>60, I'm stating that they were all at 60 with little traffic then one was 50 then the next 60. Just no need for the drop other than to trap people.