Pay per mile

WellKnownSid

China appears to have one surveillance camera (700 million) for every two citizens, so the fact that the no doubt brilliant minds behind Leeds council cannot figure how to put up a couple of boxes seems to be a “spider ate my homework” type of excuse rather than a genuine reason.

born_again

WellKnownSid said:

China appears to have one surveillance camera (700 million) for every two citizens, so the fact that the no doubt brilliant minds behind Leeds council cannot figure how to put up a couple of boxes seems to be a “spider ate my homework” type of excuse rather than a genuine reason.

Clearly you have no idea how many roads are entering/leaving a average city.

Surveillance is not the same as ANPR, or any computer billing system.🤷‍♀️

WellKnownSid

born_again said:

WellKnownSid said:

China appears to have one surveillance camera (700 million) for every two citizens, so the fact that the no doubt brilliant minds behind Leeds council cannot figure how to put up a couple of boxes seems to be a “spider ate my homework” type of excuse rather than a genuine reason.

Clearly you have no idea how many roads are entering/leaving a average city.

Surveillance is not the same as ANPR, or any computer billing system.🤷‍♀️

Bet it's fewer roads than London, which is already covered.

Computer billing?  I guess if councils were vaguely competent they would all invest in the same billing system so that it only has to be built once, economy of scale and all that.  Or they could just bring Capita in...

forgotmyname

born_again said:

Many car parks have ANPR, it's a revenue generating stream for the parking co's. Unless you frequent the parking section here.. 👍

It is fine putting in the ANPR camera's, but at what cost with the amount needed.
Leeds when setting up the clean air zone that Covid caused the scrappage of cost £20 Million in wasted funds. That was only a camera on each entry point.
Then there is the IT infrastructure to go with ANPR to charge people & bill them, then chase all the cars with incorrect owners.
If they started now, would be lucky to be online & working by 2035.
Ever known a Government IT system come in on time & budget 🤣

I know all too well about car parking companies, helped enough people with their tickets.  Many of these cameras are outside the carparks though.

Spotted 2 near the local retail park and thought just use the rat run through the trading estate, then had a slow drive through and sneakily they

had fitted a camera there also. No way to goto the retail park without passing a camera.

I dread to think of the millions they estimate to turn the system on and that turning into billions before it finally half works for 5 minutes
on a good day.  Cannot wait for the non click bait news where someone to get a bill for hundreds of thousands for covering ###### miles
on a single day.  Just hope it's not me.

motorguy

booneruk said:

Any article that starts "Labour could be planning" that also contains lines like "Reports now suggest" needs to be taken with more than a pinch of salt.

I guess there could be many ways of it working in practice, but all would be very difficult/expensive/met with extreme friction.

^^^^^^^

Exactly this.  Just another click rage headline to unsettle people.

WellKnownSid

motorguy said:

booneruk said:

Any article that starts "Labour could be planning" that also contains lines like "Reports now suggest" needs to be taken with more than a pinch of salt.

I guess there could be many ways of it working in practice, but all would be very difficult/expensive/met with extreme friction.

^^^^^^^

Exactly this.  Just another click rage headline to unsettle people.

Or, you could argue this has just been the modus operandi of governments for the last 30-40 years....

1. Decide to do something necessary but unpopular
2. Think of something far worse
3. Make a lot of noise about the 'something far worse' - perhaps even arrange a 'leak'
4. Public outcry
5. Government denies everything, meanwhile arranges further 'damning evidence' to appear in public.
6. More public outcry
7. Government announces backtrack, they 'have listened to public opinion on this important matter'
8. Government does the thing they intended to do anyway in (1)
9. Public relieved
10. Government voted in again at the next election

Herzlos

From what I can tell this round of disinformation started at GB News and has nothing to do with the current government or any real plans.

It's a pretty solid rage bait target, especially claims that it'd be up to about £2/mile.

The reality is we're a long way from it being viable or necessary or even acceptable. If anything, VED and fuel duty will just go up and we'll see more LEZ/toll zones.


I don't think the 7 weeks the current Government has been in place is long enough to see any patterns. I know the last one would leak or announce stuff and then walk it back after the outrage hit, maybe this one will do the same but I couldn't say yet.

Arunmor

Herzlos said:

I don't think the 7 weeks the current Government has been in place is long enough to see any patterns.

Really?  We do however have precedent and those lunatics Reeves and  Miliband doing their best to bump off the old folk and beggar the rest of us.

Herzlos

Arunmor said:

Herzlos said:

I don't think the 7 weeks the current Government has been in place is long enough to see any patterns.

Really?  We do however have precedent and those lunatics Reeves and  Miliband doing their best to bump off the old folk and beggar the rest of us.

Precedent from 15 years ago? We're on the 5th Labour leader since they were last in power.

Is there more to the bumping off old folk claim beyond making the winter fuel allowance means tested?