VARS Technology PCN for overstay in Starbucks Carpark

Gr1pr

Agreed 

Anyone who thinks its a fine or non payment automatically results in a CCJ hasnt got a clue, regardless of employment , so stick to flipping burgers or stacking shelves 

There are almost 400 reasons in the following tally thread that prove that a PCN does not result in payment or any CCJ 

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6377263/dcb-legal-record-of-private-parking-court-claim-discontinuations#latest

As the saying goes 

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

lookbook

Gr1pr said:

Agreed 

Anyone who thinks its a fine or non payment automatically results in a CCJ hasnt got a clue, regardless of employment 

As the saying goes 

Never argue with stupid people. They will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience” - Mark Twain

Great quote. First time I've read that.

Gr1pr

Its the signature in clued up posts by Ldast, unlike the pish by a so called self proclaimed expert above with a single post and no idea, there are few experts about and they are not employed by private parking companies, especially not exes

If they allowed 2 or 3 hours there would be less so called overstays

It should not be encumbent on a driver to be required to enter a VRM correctly on a tablet, or at all, as long as they are a customer 

But either way, this thread below is a good example of a parking company throwing good money after bad

https://forums.moneysavingexpert.com/discussion/6487128/county-court-claim-form-defence/p6

fisherjim

ParkingExpert said:

Firstly, I used to work for a parking company so I'm pretty qualified to answer this......

Are you all crazy? Why would you not pay a parking notice? As long as it is issued correctly and legitimately, which this one (unfortunately for you) seems to have been, then you won’t have a leg to stand on. Even if you do go to the BPA or POPLA. If you ignore it, it will only get more expensive and yes, you will be taken to court and get a CCJ if you don't pay it. Do you really think these parking companies make silly mistakes like not sending a first PCN? All the parking companies have to do is be able to prove they sent it, which they can, whether you claim to have received it or not. 

If your son had put his reg number into the tablet even incorrectly, the parking company would have checked for that before issuing a notice. If there was an attempt made to input a registration on or around that time that vaguely resembled his reg they would not have pursued him. Don't forget it costs the parking company money to chase people, so they won't do it if they think it is going to get cancelled in the future for something simple like not putting a reg number in. 

Even if you received a final reminder, you could still have appealed within the 28 days allowed to appeal, the fact that the letter wasn’t opened until it was too late to appeal, I’m afraid, would just get you laughed out of court.

Best advice is learn the lesson and pay the fine, then don't do it again. Sorry that's not the news you want to hear, but this will cost you a lot of money and likely ruin your son's chance of getting a mortgage etc for a long time.

Secondly, don't take advice from all these internet warriors who try to claim you shouldn't pay it, if they got one themselves, they would probably pay it in a heartbeat. It's easy to advise someone else when it’s not you in the hotseat, remember that.

Thirdly, if anyone offers to take your money to get it cancelled for you, don't do that either as that most definitely is a scam!! They will take your money whether you win or lose and guess what, 99% of the time you will lose, have to pay £100 instead of £60 and also the money you paid to them to help you, you will never see again.....

hope that helps......

This post is laughable this so called "expert" exposed their weakness by using the "F" word for a start, and the "internet warriors" on here have helped thousands to kick these PPC's where it hurts, and one is on the government steering group.

Nice try Parking (so called) Expert, and by the way I have personally had two of these scam invoices and never paid them.

Maybe you can explain how a parking company can "prove they sent it"?

They don't check anything as shown time and time again on here, never heard of an ANPR double dip?

How about sending in office copies of signage that no longer exists as evidence?

How about falsifying photographic evidence?

How about issuing PCN's on non relevant land?

How about trespassing on private land and issuing PCN's

How about hiding behind a bush to catch people out? 

Your industry is an unregulated greedy shambles run by people that make up their own rules as they go along, you use the word "scam" which coincidentally has been used in parliament about the private parking industry.

Nellymoser

An explosion of verbal diarrhoea from this Parking expert. Clearly demonstrates the root cause of this industry's problems...refusal to accept Govt held evidence of their industry's sharp practices.

LDast

I think someone is trying to troll us. @ParkingExpert has simply confirmed what we already know, that the vast majority of the employees and owners of these bottom-dwelling companies, really are intellectually malnourished. What more proof do we need?

Coupon-mad

ParkingExpert said:

Firstly, I used to work for a parking company so I'm pretty qualified to answer this......

Are you all crazy? Why would you not pay a parking notice? As long as it is issued correctly and legitimately, which this one (unfortunately for you) seems to have been, then you won’t have a leg to stand on. Even if you do go to the BPA or POPLA. If you ignore it, it will only get more expensive and yes, you will be taken to court and get a CCJ if you don't pay it. Do you really think these parking companies make silly mistakes like not sending a first PCN? All the parking companies have to do is be able to prove they sent it, which they can, whether you claim to have received it or not. 

If your son had put his reg number into the tablet even incorrectly, the parking company would have checked for that before issuing a notice. If there was an attempt made to input a registration on or around that time that vaguely resembled his reg they would not have pursued him. Don't forget it costs the parking company money to chase people, so they won't do it if they think it is going to get cancelled in the future for something simple like not putting a reg number in. 

Even if you received a final reminder, you could still have appealed within the 28 days allowed to appeal, the fact that the letter wasn’t opened until it was too late to appeal, I’m afraid, would just get you laughed out of court.

Best advice is learn the lesson and pay the fine, then don't do it again. Sorry that's not the news you want to hear, but this will cost you a lot of money and likely ruin your son's chance of getting a mortgage etc for a long time.

Secondly, don't take advice from all these internet warriors who try to claim you shouldn't pay it, if they got one themselves, they would probably pay it in a heartbeat. It's easy to advise someone else when it’s not you in the hotseat, remember that.

Thirdly, if anyone offers to take your money to get it cancelled for you, don't do that either as that most definitely is a scam!! They will take your money whether you win or lose and guess what, 99% of the time you will lose, have to pay £100 instead of £60 and also the money you paid to them to help you, you will never see again.....

Interesting first post from an admitted ex-employee of a rogue industry.

But your advice is completely wrong.

We win 99% of the time.

It's really really easy to beat any private parking firm. I guess you didn't work for one which litigated, or that you didn't work in the litigation team ... because they lose. PPC claims are meritless and simple to win by defending.

No CCJ is risked. People are not laughed out of court. Judges and MPs hate the parking industry. Statutory regulation is coming and it will throttle the worst ones.

Grizebeck

Interesting they chose this old thread

Le_Kirk

Why isn't there an "unthanks" button?

ParkingExpert

@grizebeck glad I made you laugh, but I was just trying to do the right thing. People offering all the advice to try and stop someone paying a ticket that is issued perfectly legitimately is just wrong. The poor lad is going to end up with a CCJ and severely out of pocket, when he could just do the right thing and pay it. I expect no one will believe me but I'm just trying to offer honest advice having worked in the industry.