FIXED PENALTY NOTICE FOR CIGARETTE BUTT

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

RefluentBeans said:

I assume you also take the same approach when tourists come to Wales and drop all their rubbish / it’s fair because there’s no bins, right? 

I'm sure there are some bins knocking about  

I obviously don't think people should litter and forget the tourists, the communal bins where we live are a disgrace, sadly some people don't have pride in the place they live let alone places they don't live. 

It's more that (in the railway example) there aren't bins and then enforcement officers are placed there to generate a profit for a private business, it isn't helping anyone (except the company who gets the % of the fines obviously). 

swingaloo said:

I think a lot of smokers are inconsiderate in that they dont think it is the same as dropping a drink can or paper bag.  you only have to look outside any pub in most towns to see that the smokers who stand outside, instead of using the bins fixed to the wall will just throw their cig onto the path or road.
There are 2 pubs on our small high street and if every smoker that threw a cig away instead of binning it was fined a tenner each time our council would probably have the best funding in the country.

Is that caused by the attitude of smokers or the general lack of judgement after drinking? 

user1977

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

It's more that (in the railway example) there aren't bins and then enforcement officers are placed there to generate a profit for a private business, it isn't helping anyone (except the company who gets the % of the fines obviously). 

There is no private business involved in the railway example.

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

user1977 said:

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

It's more that (in the railway example) there aren't bins and then enforcement officers are placed there to generate a profit for a private business, it isn't helping anyone (except the company who gets the % of the fines obviously). 

There is no private business involved in the railway example.

I don't know about Glasow but where we lived the outside of the station was the public high street rather than railway property. 

user1977

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

user1977 said:

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

It's more that (in the railway example) there aren't bins and then enforcement officers are placed there to generate a profit for a private business, it isn't helping anyone (except the company who gets the % of the fines obviously). 

There is no private business involved in the railway example.

I don't know about Glasow but where we lived the outside of the station was the public high street rather than railway property. 

Yes. As the PP said, the ticket was issued by Glasgow City Council.

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

user1977 said:Yes. As the PP said, the ticket was issued by Glasgow City Council.

Sorry I thought you meant the railway issued instead of the council.

See the article above, I don't know about Glasow but many councils use a private firm to hire officers to issue the FPN who get a kick back from the fine. 

user1977

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

user1977 said:Yes. As the PP said, the ticket was issued by Glasgow City Council.

Sorry I thought you meant the railway issued instead of the council.

See the article above, I don't know about Glasow but many councils use a private firm to hire officers to issue the FPN who get a kick back from the fine. 

Glasgow's enforcement officers are employed in-house.

PHK

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

RefluentBeans said:

I assume you also take the same approach when tourists come to Wales and drop all their rubbish / it’s fair because there’s no bins, right? 

I'm sure there are some bins knocking about  

I obviously don't think people should litter and forget the tourists, the communal bins where we live are a disgrace, sadly some people don't have pride in the place they live let alone places they don't live. 

It's more that (in the railway example) there aren't bins and then enforcement officers are placed there to generate a profit for a private business, it isn't helping anyone (except the company who gets the % of the fines obviously). 

But if there are no bins, you can either hang on to your rubbish until you find one or not smoke until you find an ashtray. 

km1500

https://www.euronews.com/video/2023/04/24/watch-climate-activists-in-portugal-build-huge-pile-of-cigarette-butts

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head

user1977 said:

Glasgow's enforcement officers are employed in-house.

Thanks for clarifying @user1977  

PHK said:But if there are no bins, you can either hang on to your rubbish until you find one or not smoke until you find an ashtray. 

That's a very good moral principle by which to stand but unfortunately stating moral principles on the internet doesn't translate to everyone following them

That's why we have people who were either elected or placed to look after the interests of the majority and until we achieve a utopian dream where everyone behaves to accepted moral standards, the more bins there are, the less litter there is going to be in the streets. 

sheramber

the_lunatic_is_in_my_head said:

user1977 said:

Glasgow's enforcement officers are employed in-house.

Thanks for clarifying @user1977  

PHK said:But if there are no bins, you can either hang on to your rubbish until you find one or not smoke until you find an ashtray. 

That's a very good moral principle by which to stand but unfortunately stating moral principles on the internet doesn't translate to everyone following them

That's why we have people who were either elected or placed to look after the interests of the majority and until we achieve a utopian dream where everyone behaves to accepted moral standards, the more bins there are, the less litter there is going to be in the streets. h doesn't happen .

Only if the bins are emptied which often doesn't happen.

Have you not seen the piles of litter left beside full bins?