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molerat

batesy2007 said:

I just called them because my monthly payment was still over £200 and not the £140 it should be. 
They said it would update next payment then mentioned about having the dreaded smart meter

I said no

They said that tariff requires a smart meter but I couldn't see it in t&c and why would it let me swap as they know I don't have one.

I won't be forced into one

On the change tariff page

Next Loyalty Fixed v4

This tariff comes with 100% renewable electricity and your prices are fixed for 12 months. You'll need to manage your account online - you also agree to have a smart meter installed where eligible. An exit fee of £75 per fuel will be applied if you change supplier before your tariff end date. Remember, paying by Direct Debit gives you cheaper prices than if you pay when you receive your bill.

In  the general terms for all fixed tariffs

11 - Terms for our fixed term tariffs

11.1 About these tariffs

11.1.1 Some tariffs are only available if you pay by Direct Debit and manage your account online. This will be confirmed when you agree your contract and also confirmed in your welcome letter.

11.1.2 You agree to the installation of a Smart Meter, where eligible. You still qualify for this tariff if you already have a smart meter installed or it’s not currently possible to install a smart meter at your property.

11.1.3 If your tariff has an end date, we might charge you a fee, known as an exit fee, if you switch more than six weeks before that date. Your welcome letter will tell you about this.

Reading what you are signing up to is always a good idea.  By moving to a fixed tariff you have agreed to a smart meter so by refusing you are in breach of contract and can be put back on SV if they so decide.

littleteapot

molerat said:

batesy2007 said:

I just called them because my monthly payment was still over £200 and not the £140 it should be. 
They said it would update next payment then mentioned about having the dreaded smart meter

I said no

They said that tariff requires a smart meter but I couldn't see it in t&c and why would it let me swap as they know I don't have one.

I won't be forced into one

On the change tariff page

Next Loyalty Fixed v4

This tariff comes with 100% renewable electricity and your prices are fixed for 12 months. You'll need to manage your account online - you also agree to have a smart meter installed where eligible. An exit fee of £75 per fuel will be applied if you change supplier before your tariff end date. Remember, paying by Direct Debit gives you cheaper prices than if you pay when you receive your bill.

In  the general terms for all fixed tariffs

11 - Terms for our fixed term tariffs

11.1 About these tariffs

11.1.1 Some tariffs are only available if you pay by Direct Debit and manage your account online. This will be confirmed when you agree your contract and also confirmed in your welcome letter.

11.1.2 You agree to the installation of a Smart Meter, where eligible. You still qualify for this tariff if you already have a smart meter installed or it’s not currently possible to install a smart meter at your property.

11.1.3 If your tariff has an end date, we might charge you a fee, known as an exit fee, if you switch more than six weeks before that date. Your welcome letter will tell you about this.

Reading what you are signing up to is always a good idea.  By moving to a fixed tariff you have agreed to a smart meter so by refusing you are in breach of contract and can be put back on SV if they so decide.

Well in theory yes. But I had three fixes from EDF between 2018 and 2022 which said agreeing to fitment of a smart meter was mandatory. However the option 'I don't want a smart meter' was still available on my online account and they didn't hound me nor kick me off the fix because of it.

As @Moneysavingchap says, we will all be coerced to have them eventually, through some significant financial disadvantage for not having one, or mandatory due to age of our old meter. I'm just delaying the inevitable for as long as it's financially viable to do so due to all the cockups I've read about on here regarding installation and configuration of E7 smart meters.

CSI_Yorkshire

batesy2007 said:

Moneysavingchap said:

batesy2007 said:

I just called them because my monthly payment was still over £200 and not the £140 it should be. 
They said it would update next payment then mentioned about having the dreaded smart meter

I said no

They said that tariff requires a smart meter but I couldn't see it in t&c and why would it let me swap as they know I don't have one.

I won't be forced into one

Yes you will. Eventually, you will.

No I won't 

So you plan to go off-grid then?

[Deleted User]

littleteapot said:

molerat said:e

batesy2007 said:

I just called them because my monthly payment was still over £200 and not the £140 it should be. 
They said it would update next payment then mentioned about having the dreaded smart meter

I said no

They said that tariff requires a smart meter but I couldn't see it in t&c and why would it let me swap as they know I don't have one.

I won't be forced into one

On the change tariff page

Next Loyalty Fixed v4

This tariff comes with 100% renewable electricity and your prices are fixed for 12 months. You'll need to manage your account online - you also agree to have a smart meter installed where eligible. An exit fee of £75 per fuel will be applied if you change supplier before your tariff end date. Remember, paying by Direct Debit gives you cheaper prices than if you pay when you receive your bill.

In  the general terms for all fixed tariffs

11 - Terms for our fixed term tariffs

11.1 About these tariffs

11.1.1 Some tariffs are only available if you pay by Direct Debit and manage your account online. This will be confirmed when you agree your contract and also confirmed in your welcome letter.

11.1.2 You agree to the installation of a Smart Meter, where eligible. You still qualify for this tariff if you already have a smart meter installed or it’s not currently possible to install a smart meter at your property.

11.1.3 If your tariff has an end date, we might charge you a fee, known as an exit fee, if you switch more than six weeks before that date. Your welcome letter will tell you about this.

Reading what you are signing up to is always a good idea.  By moving to a fixed tariff you have agreed to a smart meter so by refusing you are in breach of contract and can be put back on SV if they so decide.

Well in theory yes. But I had three fixes from EDF between 2018 and 2022 which said agreeing to fitment of a smart meter was mandatory. However the option 'I don't want a smart meter' was still available on my online account and they didn't hound me nor kick me off the fix because of it.

As @Moneysavingchap says, we will all be coerced to have them eventually, through some significant financial disadvantage for not having one, or mandatory due to age of our old meter. I'm just delaying the inevitable for as long as it's financially viable to do so due to all the cockups I've read about on here regarding installation and configuration of E7 smart meters.

How is this relevant? Terms and conditions change all the time. As in all contracts, the devil is in the detail. Suppliers are under the Ofgem cosh to fit smart meters or face fines for not doing so: why would they issue a tariff that requires a smart meter and then give the option for people to opt out?

The Government doesn’t need to coerce anybody. It just needs to change the Law to make smart meters compulsory as is the case now in France and, from 2025, in Germany. 

Posts on this forum are in no way indicative of widespread smart metering issues. Not having a smart meter is costing you a lot of money: my gas price today is 3.8p/kWh and, if I needed electricity from the Grid, I can get it for 18p/kWh. 

littleteapot

[Deleted User] said:

littleteapot said:

molerat said:e

batesy2007 said:

I just called them because my monthly payment was still over £200 and not the £140 it should be. 
They said it would update next payment then mentioned about having the dreaded smart meter

I said no

They said that tariff requires a smart meter but I couldn't see it in t&c and why would it let me swap as they know I don't have one.

I won't be forced into one

On the change tariff page

Next Loyalty Fixed v4

This tariff comes with 100% renewable electricity and your prices are fixed for 12 months. You'll need to manage your account online - you also agree to have a smart meter installed where eligible. An exit fee of £75 per fuel will be applied if you change supplier before your tariff end date. Remember, paying by Direct Debit gives you cheaper prices than if you pay when you receive your bill.

In  the general terms for all fixed tariffs

11 - Terms for our fixed term tariffs

11.1 About these tariffs

11.1.1 Some tariffs are only available if you pay by Direct Debit and manage your account online. This will be confirmed when you agree your contract and also confirmed in your welcome letter.

11.1.2 You agree to the installation of a Smart Meter, where eligible. You still qualify for this tariff if you already have a smart meter installed or it’s not currently possible to install a smart meter at your property.

11.1.3 If your tariff has an end date, we might charge you a fee, known as an exit fee, if you switch more than six weeks before that date. Your welcome letter will tell you about this.

Reading what you are signing up to is always a good idea.  By moving to a fixed tariff you have agreed to a smart meter so by refusing you are in breach of contract and can be put back on SV if they so decide.

Well in theory yes. But I had three fixes from EDF between 2018 and 2022 which said agreeing to fitment of a smart meter was mandatory. However the option 'I don't want a smart meter' was still available on my online account and they didn't hound me nor kick me off the fix because of it.

As @Moneysavingchap says, we will all be coerced to have them eventually, through some significant financial disadvantage for not having one, or mandatory due to age of our old meter. I'm just delaying the inevitable for as long as it's financially viable to do so due to all the cockups I've read about on here regarding installation and configuration of E7 smart meters.

How is this relevant? Terms and conditions change all the time. As in all contracts, the devil is in the detail. Suppliers are under the Ofgem cosh to fit smart meters or face fines for not doing so: why would they issue a tariff that requires a smart meter and then give the option for people to opt out?

The Government doesn’t need to coerce anybody. It just needs to change the Law to make smart meters compulsory as is the case now in France and, from 2025, in Germany. 

Posts on this forum are in no way indicative of widespread smart metering issues. Not having a smart meter is costing you a lot of money: my gas price today is 3.8p/kWh and, if I needed electricity from the Grid, I can get it for 18p/kWh. 

It might not be relevant to the OP, it was just my anecdotal experience. Indeed the government could make it mandatory and that may come to pass. I was just pointing out that those who think they will not succumb to the fitment of smart meters will eventually in one way or another, maybe through coercion, maybe through mandate. The method it happens by is the only thing that remains to be seen.

How is stating your tarrif helping the OP? It varies wildly by region, supplier, and type of tariff?

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How is stating your tarrif helping the OP? It varies wildly by region, supplier, and type of tariff?

It is relevant to the argument FOR smart meters when people post sentences such as this:

I'm just delaying the inevitable for as long as it's financially viable to do so due to all the cockups I've read about on here regarding installation and configuration of E7

My daughter and grandson were both on E7. They have smart meters and, since April, they have both switched from E7 to Octopus Agile. They will switch back to E7 for the coming Winter. It is the ability to switch tariffs at ease which is saving consumers money. This flexibility is not possible with conventional analogue meters.

anthdci

Bumping this up, since those (including myself) who took this out will be paying more from 1st Oct. Hopefully EON will have a replacement, that we can switch to, out soon.

QrizB

anthdci said:

Bumping this up, since those (including myself) who took this out will be paying more from 1st Oct. Hopefully EON will have a replacement, that we can switch to, out soon.

Are you saying that your fixed rate will increase in October? That would be ... odd?

spot1034

anthdci said:

Bumping this up, since those (including myself) who took this out will be paying more from 1st Oct. Hopefully EON will have a replacement, that we can switch to, out soon.

The unit cost might be slightly higher but it is offset by lower standing charges, and given the forecast increase in the price cap again from January, the savings from that time (possibly extending into the second quarter depending on what happens to the price cap from April to June) might well exceed any small loss in Q423.

Any new fix is likely to reflect expected higher prices beyond the end of Q423.

Mstty

As others have said on the forum fixed rates are historically not the best value but provide certainty.

With prices of energy still very much fluctuating for the foreseeable future people choosing a fix know their prices for a year with certainty and that provides them with security and being able to budget.

Don't see it as a win or lose.