Speeding fine

Manxman_in_exile

Your story is very confusing.  For example, what do these two posts mean?

loobiloo said:

I was recently caught speeding in a 30 mph zone, I seem to remember I was doing 35mph.  I received notification of a fine of £100. I filled in an online statement admitting my excess speed and ability to pay the £100 fine.

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 Edit : the original offence was in October 2022. I received notification of the fine last month

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loobiloo said:

Thank you.
The offence was last month. 
I wasn't asked to submit my driving licence. In fact I seem to remember the form specifically stated not to submit it at that point. 

Also it's a good idea if you end up being accused of any sort of offence to keep copies of all documents you receive and submit, and to keep screenshots of everything you submit online.  It helps make things less confusing...

loobiloo

Manxman_in_exile said:

Your story is very confusing.  For example, what do these two posts mean?

loobiloo said:

I was recently caught speeding in a 30 mph zone, I seem to remember I was doing 35mph.  I received notification of a fine of £100. I filled in an online statement admitting my excess speed and ability to pay the £100 fine.

...

 Edit : the original offence was in October 2022. I received notification of the fine last month

and

loobiloo said:

Thank you.
The offence was last month. 
I wasn't asked to submit my driving licence. In fact I seem to remember the form specifically stated not to submit it at that point. 

Also it's a good idea if you end up being accused of any sort of offence to keep copies of all documents you receive and submit, and to keep screenshots of everything you submit online.  It helps make things less confusing...

I'm not sure what you find confusing. I'm referring to the  notification I received 6 months ago. 

Of course its  sensible to keep copies etc. 

loobiloo

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

OK fine. I am the owner and the driver. 

But are you the RK?  If so,  you would have initially received the NIP.

Have you moved recently and not updated the DVLA?  This could possibly explain why you didn't receive the initial NIP?

It's possible, in retrospect, that I did receive the NIP, completed it and returned it and 6 months on have forgotten. I've had chemo seems then, it doesn't do much for ones memory.

TooManyPoints

It's possible, in retrospect, that I did receive the NIP, completed it and returned it and 6 months on have forgotten.

Then the most likely explanation is that you named yourself as the driver, did not receive or did not act upon the offer of a course or fixed penalty, did not receive or did not act upon a Single Justice Procedure notice and were thus convicted and sentenced under the Single Justice procedure.

If that is indeed the case then performing a Statutory Declaration (to have the conviction and sentence set aside) is largely pointless. It is unlikely that a court will agree to sentence you at the fixed penalty level when the case is reopened and you have been sentenced, near enough, in line with the normal sentencing guidelines. You can give it a try (you must make - or at least apply at the court to make - a Statutory Declaration within 21 days of learning of your conviction) but I doubt the outcome will be favourable.

loobiloo

TooManyPoints said:

It's possible, in retrospect, that I did receive the NIP, completed it and returned it and 6 months on have forgotten.

Then the most likely explanation is that you named yourself as the driver, did not receive or did not act upon the offer of a course or fixed penalty, did not receive or did not act upon a Single Justice Procedure notice and were thus convicted and sentenced under the Single Justice procedure.

If that is indeed the case then performing a Statutory Declaration (to have the conviction and sentence set aside) is largely pointless. It is unlikely that a court will agree to sentence you at the fixed penalty level when the case is reopened and you have been sentenced, near enough, in line with the normal sentencing guidelines. You can give it a try (you must make - or at least apply at the court to make - a Statutory Declaration within 21 days of learning of your conviction) but I doubt the outcome will be favourable.

I did name myself as the driver, as I've said. I did say I would opt for the fixed penalty. I said I did not dispute the issue and didn't want to take it to court. I've already said all of this quite a few times in this thread. 

Wonka_2

I did name myself as the driver, as I've said. I did say I would opt for the fixed penalty. I said I did not dispute the issue and didn't want to take it to court. I've already said all of this quite a few times in this thread. 

But unless I (and others) are mistaken the point at which you opt for Fixed Penalty (or Speed Awareness Course) is the point at which your book/pay for it and that stops the clock.

There's no form to accept an FPN which then generates another form asking you to pay - so if you didn't pay at that stage then court is the automatic next step.

Without a copy of the letter(s) you claim to have acted on you're unlikely to be changing the outcome

turnitround

The letter you get offering you the choice of fixed penalty and points or a speed awareness course has details of how to pay on the back. If you are choosing not to take the course then that is the point at which you pay the fine. You are given so many days to pay the fine.

If you opted for the fixed penalty then you must have received this letter so you should have paid at that point. 

victor2

loobiloo said:

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

OK fine. I am the owner and the driver. 

But are you the RK?  If so,  you would have initially received the NIP.

Have you moved recently and not updated the DVLA?  This could possibly explain why you didn't receive the initial NIP?

It's possible, in retrospect, that I did receive the NIP, completed it and returned it and 6 months on have forgotten. I've had chemo seems then, it doesn't do much for ones memory.

Unfortunately, it does seem that you have not fully understood all the paperwork you have received, and no longer having it doesn't help. You may have not received something due to the Christmas break and Royal Mail strikes etc.

Add to that your treatment (hope it's going well), and it is now where it is, with a large bill to pay. I do not know if you will at best be given a plan to pay, or should just find a way to settle it to avoid any further action against you.

As has already been mentioned, Pepipoo may offer better advice.

Good luck.

user1977

OP, you do seem to have got rather muddled about what has gone on, and it looks like you are having trouble following the advice on this thread too. Is there somebody in your life who can help you with this sort of thing? Unfortunately I can't see an obvious way of avoiding paying what is now being demanded from you, given the stage this has reached.

loobiloo

I am following the comments and suggestions, thanks all the same.

If I have to pay the full fine then I will. 
Lets end the discussion now.