Speeding fine

Boat_to_Bolivia

OP, It might be worth your while to post on the Pepipoo forums, where they specialise in this kind if thing.

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Wonka_2

Yes I'm the registered the keeper. I was driving my car. I knew I'd been flashed. The first correspondence I got included requests for my expenses. 

Which police force area did this take place in ?

As others have said there's no UK force where the first correspondence (which in this instance is on the basis of a camera) would ask for that information - it's a simple document to the registered keeper asking for details of who was driving at that time.

From there, after checks have taken place on whether the driver was licenced/insured etc then a further letter is issued detailing the offences and offering next steps (pay/course/court etc)

Only after this stage if court had been opted for would finances come into play (and this stage could obviously happen if one or both of the above letters had not been responded to)

Very interested how you seem to have got a mix of letters 2 & 3, and if so, from which force ? 

loobiloo

I'm in Brighton, the offence was in Brighton. The letter today is from Hastings and Eastbourne magistrates court. 

loobiloo

Boat_to_Bolivia said:

OP, It might be worth your while to post on the Pepipoo forums, where they specialise in this kind if thing.

You will need something other that a hotmail account to register though.


http://forums.pepipoo.com/

Many thanks. 

Car_54

loobiloo said:

Car_54 said:

loobiloo said:

Car_54 said:

loobiloo said:

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

turnitround said:

Normally what happens is-

You get a letter to tell you that you have been recorded breaking the speed limit.

You have to respond to the letter by filling in the form admitting you were the driver.

They then send you a second letter which, if you qualify offers you the speed awareness course.

This second letter gives you the option of paying the fine or booking the course. You must do one or the other by the date given on the second letter.

I received the original letter last month. As I said, there was reams of forms to fill in about my  monthly expenses. I then saw I could respond online which I did n March 8th 

When you say "original letter" - what was it about?  Assuming you were recorded by a fixed roadside camera, the first letter you receive says that the vehicle was caught exceeding the speed limit, and asks you to confirm whether or not you were the driver.  You return that, saying who the driver was, and the driver would then receive a further letter offering a choice of a FPN or appearing in court, or a speed awareness course if that's an option.

The first NIP / S172 wouldn't usually ask about income etc.

The first letter I received did ask about me expenses, along with details of the offence. 

In that case it must have been a Single Justice Procedure Notice.
It certainly couldn't have been the first letter sent, since neither the police nor the court would have known that you were the driver.
As CliveofIndia has outlined above, a NIP and s172 request would first be sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle. He/she would name the driver, who in turn would get their own s172 request. Only on receipt of that, signed to confirm that he#/she she was driving, would a fixed penalty or course be offered. (Note that the driver would not be asked to admit the offence.)
Someone must have received those notices, and nominated you. If not you, it seems someone has forged your signature.

No one forged my signature. The letter was addressed to me, the owner of the car. 

You may be the owner, but that is irrelevant. The letter would have been addressed to you as the person accused, i.e. who had been identified as the driver at the time of the offence. How do you suppose the police had identified you as such?

Because the police are able to find out the details of the owner from my registration. I'm sure you know that. I then acknowledged I was driving the car. 

I don't know that, because it isn't true!
The Registered Keeper is the person named on the V5C ('logbook').. It says on that document, at the top, in red, in large letters, that it is NOT evidence of ownership.
Anyway, the police don't care who is the owner: it's the driver they want to find.

loobiloo

Or maybe it never arrived? 

loobiloo

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

Car_54 said:

loobiloo said:

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

turnitround said:

Normally what happens is-

You get a letter to tell you that you have been recorded breaking the speed limit.

You have to respond to the letter by filling in the form admitting you were the driver.

They then send you a second letter which, if you qualify offers you the speed awareness course.

This second letter gives you the option of paying the fine or booking the course. You must do one or the other by the date given on the second letter.

I received the original letter last month. As I said, there was reams of forms to fill in about my  monthly expenses. I then saw I could respond online which I did n March 8th 

When you say "original letter" - what was it about?  Assuming you were recorded by a fixed roadside camera, the first letter you receive says that the vehicle was caught exceeding the speed limit, and asks you to confirm whether or not you were the driver.  You return that, saying who the driver was, and the driver would then receive a further letter offering a choice of a FPN or appearing in court, or a speed awareness course if that's an option.

The first NIP / S172 wouldn't usually ask about income etc.

The first letter I received did ask about me expenses, along with details of the offence. 

In that case it must have been a Single Justice Procedure Notice.
It certainly couldn't have been the first letter sent, since neither the police nor the court would have known that you were the driver.
As CliveofIndia has outlined above, a NIP and s172 request would first be sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle. He/she would name the driver, who in turn would get their own s172 request. Only on receipt of that, signed to confirm that he#/she she was driving, would a fixed penalty or course be offered. (Note that the driver would not be asked to admit the offence.)
Someone must have received those notices, and nominated you. If not you, it seems someone has forged your signature.

No one forged my signature. The letter was addressed to me, the owner of the car. 

When you say "the owner of the car" - are you the Registered Keeper?  For instance, if the car is on finance, it's possible for the RK to be the finance company.  Or if it's a company car, the company will often be the RK.

I only ask because the RK will always receive the first NIP and S172.  And because the RK can quite legitimately be different to the driver, the RK has to respond saying who the driver is, before things can proceed further.

As mentioned previously, it appears that the original offer of a Fixed Penalty was either rejected or ignored, which is why it went to court.  It's at that point that you may very well be asked about your income and expenses, to allow the court to work out an appropriate penalty.  But you certainly wouldn't be asked about finances in "the first letter".

Yes I'm the registered the keeper. I was driving my car. I knew I'd been flashed. The first correspondence I got included requests for my expenses. 

I'm sorry but that doesn't add up.

The first thing a Registered Keeper will know about a speeding offence is the NIP and and the S172.  The S172 must be returned to confirm who the driver was (even if you are the RK, the driver could have been your spouse, parent, child, friend who is insured to drive your car, etc.).  Until the driver is confirmed, any further action cannot be taken.

And it's only if the driver declines the offer of a FPN that it goes to court, at which point they could well ask about income etc.

I have no recollection of receiving anything prior to the letter back on March. 

loobiloo

Car_54 said:

loobiloo said:

Car_54 said:

loobiloo said:

Car_54 said:

loobiloo said:

CliveOfIndia said:

loobiloo said:

turnitround said:

Normally what happens is-

You get a letter to tell you that you have been recorded breaking the speed limit.

You have to respond to the letter by filling in the form admitting you were the driver.

They then send you a second letter which, if you qualify offers you the speed awareness course.

This second letter gives you the option of paying the fine or booking the course. You must do one or the other by the date given on the second letter.

I received the original letter last month. As I said, there was reams of forms to fill in about my  monthly expenses. I then saw I could respond online which I did n March 8th 

When you say "original letter" - what was it about?  Assuming you were recorded by a fixed roadside camera, the first letter you receive says that the vehicle was caught exceeding the speed limit, and asks you to confirm whether or not you were the driver.  You return that, saying who the driver was, and the driver would then receive a further letter offering a choice of a FPN or appearing in court, or a speed awareness course if that's an option.

The first NIP / S172 wouldn't usually ask about income etc.

The first letter I received did ask about me expenses, along with details of the offence. 

In that case it must have been a Single Justice Procedure Notice.
It certainly couldn't have been the first letter sent, since neither the police nor the court would have known that you were the driver.
As CliveofIndia has outlined above, a NIP and s172 request would first be sent to the registered keeper of the vehicle. He/she would name the driver, who in turn would get their own s172 request. Only on receipt of that, signed to confirm that he#/she she was driving, would a fixed penalty or course be offered. (Note that the driver would not be asked to admit the offence.)
Someone must have received those notices, and nominated you. If not you, it seems someone has forged your signature.

No one forged my signature. The letter was addressed to me, the owner of the car. 

You may be the owner, but that is irrelevant. The letter would have been addressed to you as the person accused, i.e. who had been identified as the driver at the time of the offence. How do you suppose the police had identified you as such?

Because the police are able to find out the details of the owner from my registration. I'm sure you know that. I then acknowledged I was driving the car. 

I don't know that, because it isn't true!
The Registered Keeper is the person named on the V5C ('logbook').. It says on that document, at the top, in red, in large letters, that it is NOT evidence of ownership.
Anyway, the police don't care who is the owner: it's the driver they want to find.

So when my car, sometime ago, was parked and someone crashed into it, how were the police able to come to my house to let me know? 

GrumpyDil

They came to let the registered keeper know. The registered keeper is not always the owner. 

loobiloo

OK fine. I am the owner and the driver.