2022 was the warmest year on record

daveyjp

peter_the_piper said:

I think the problem is that its only as long as written records have been taken. Not that long ago (well 15/16th century) the Thames was so frozen they had markets on it. The earths temperatures fluctuate often. A lot depends on the distance from the sun and things of this nature. Until we have records for centuries we really can't be sure the Earth os over heating or freezing.

 Ice cores have been used to give climate data going back almost 1 million years.

Krakkkers

Won't ice always be cold? Or was ice hot 1 million years ago.

Spoonie_Turtle

Krakkkers said:

Won't ice always be cold? Or was ice hot 1 million years ago.

LMGTFY (let me Google that for you*)
https://www.bas.ac.uk/data/our-data/publication/ice-cores-and-climate-change/
Do read to the end, it explains why findings in the ice cores are relevant. 

*although as a general comment, if a person is unable to assess the reliability of search results then logically they would most certainly not be qualified to question established science.  And lest that sound as if I somehow claim to be qualified, I am not - I have a working ability to do the former to an extent, but not all the latter.

Krakkkers

I was just kidding, i believe in man made climate change but am also familiar with the fact the the Earths climate has varied wildly on both a short and long term timescale.
Jack Schmidt ( the only scientist sent to the moon, apollo 17) is a well known sceptic though and a lot of other very smart people.
Best to be an open minded sceptic on the subject, no one should be certain of what is happening but a move to renewables is sensible whatever you believe. I have a signed copy of Last man on the moon, signed by Jacks partner on that mission, Gene Cernan.

Mstty

There is no doubt that as a species we have done more damage than good, results yet to be determined. Some might compare us to locusts if they were being kind.

SAC2334

Krakkkers said:

I was just kidding, i believe in man made climate change but am also familiar with the fact the the Earths climate has varied wildly on both a short and long term timescale.
Jack Schmidt ( the only scientist sent to the moon, apollo 17) is a well known sceptic though and a lot of other very smart people.
Best to be an open minded sceptic on the subject, no one should be certain of what is happening but a move to renewables is sensible whatever you believe. I have a signed copy of Last man on the moon, signed by Jacks partner on that mission, Gene Cernan.

Why would you take any notice of such people as an ex astronaut , or Jeremy Clarkson/Nigel Lawson or any one else unqualified ?
99.9 % of scientists agree that climate change is caused by human acivity . 

I m a keen birdwatcher and the migration of Southern Europeans species which rely on wetlands and rivers have moved North in the last 30 years in huge numbers to escape the lack of food in their usual habitat. 

If you don t believe in the scientists just watch out for the very common birds in our river s and estuarys such as Little Egret and Great Egret which have invaded the UK from the 1970 s onwards .They know whats happening even if you don t .

Even some Swallows stay in UK all year and I ve already had a Blackcap in my garden this week when it normally go s south for the winter. 

Krakkkers

As I said, I believe in man made climate change.

Spoonie_Turtle

Krakkkers said:

I was just kidding, i believe in man made climate change ...

Impossible to tell nowadays, sorry.

A._Badger

SAC2334 said:

Krakkkers said:

I was just kidding, i believe in man made climate change but am also familiar with the fact the the Earths climate has varied wildly on both a short and long term timescale.
Jack Schmidt ( the only scientist sent to the moon, apollo 17) is a well known sceptic though and a lot of other very smart people.
Best to be an open minded sceptic on the subject, no one should be certain of what is happening but a move to renewables is sensible whatever you believe. I have a signed copy of Last man on the moon, signed by Jacks partner on that mission, Gene Cernan.

Why would you take any notice of such people as an ex astronaut , or Jeremy Clarkson/Nigel Lawson or any one else unqualified ?
99.9 % of scientists agree that climate change is caused by human acivity . 

I m a keen birdwatcher and the migration of Southern Europeans species which rely on wetlands and rivers have moved North in the last 30 years in huge numbers to escape the lack of food in their usual habitat. 

If you don t believe in the scientists just watch out for the very common birds in our river s and estuarys such as Little Egret and Great Egret which have invaded the UK from the 1970 s onwards .They know whats happening even if you don t .

Even some Swallows stay in UK all year and I ve already had a Blackcap in my garden this week when it normally go s south for the winter. 

That old claim of 99.9% has been debunked so many times it is beyond parody.. There are many scientists (notably physicists, astrophysicists and geologists - not to mention the scientists who monitor the satellite temperature records at UA Huntsville) who dispute the claims of alarmists and it is not helpful for anyone's case to just pretend they don't, that their scientific opinions are worthless and that the only doubts come from people like Jeremy Clarkson. If there's a scientific argument to be had it should be had on level ground.    

SAC2334

A._Badger said:

SAC2334 said:

Krakkkers said:

I was just kidding, i believe in man made climate change but am also familiar with the fact the the Earths climate has varied wildly on both a short and long term timescale.
Jack Schmidt ( the only scientist sent to the moon, apollo 17) is a well known sceptic though and a lot of other very smart people.
Best to be an open minded sceptic on the subject, no one should be certain of what is happening but a move to renewables is sensible whatever you believe. I have a signed copy of Last man on the moon, signed by Jacks partner on that mission, Gene Cernan.

Why would you take any notice of such people as an ex astronaut , or Jeremy Clarkson/Nigel Lawson or any one else unqualified ?
99.9 % of scientists agree that climate change is caused by human acivity . 

I m a keen birdwatcher and the migration of Southern Europeans species which rely on wetlands and rivers have moved North in the last 30 years in huge numbers to escape the lack of food in their usual habitat. 

If you don t believe in the scientists just watch out for the very common birds in our river s and estuarys such as Little Egret and Great Egret which have invaded the UK from the 1970 s onwards .They know whats happening even if you don t .

Even some Swallows stay in UK all year and I ve already had a Blackcap in my garden this week when it normally go s south for the winter. 

That old claim of 99.9% has been debunked so many times it is beyond parody.. There are many scientists (notably physicists, astrophysicists and geologists - not to mention the scientists who monitor the satellite temperature records at UA Huntsville) who dispute the claims of alarmists and it is not helpful for anyone's case to just pretend they don't, that their scientific opinions are worthless and that the only doubts come from people like Jeremy Clarkson. If there's a scientific argument to be had it should be had on level ground.    

I saw my first ever Great Egret , (a large white wading bird bigger than a Heron) in upper Egypt in 1994 around  the Nile in Luxor.  Not seen in UK except in rare occasional singles
.. Now they re in my back yard in South Yorkshire in fairly increasing numbers with many reported every day in my area . Do you  want any more convincing evidence that the planet is warming at an alarming rate ?
If you dont believe the scientists , believe in  nature not some iffy  " scientists" making a living from social media crap.