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  • Grey_Critic
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    All these opinions are absolutely no use to the OP in court.  It is, in my opinion financially dangerous advice to have on the forums that others might heed to defend a speeding charge on this basis.  *It would be expensive - the guidance for starting point for contested trials is £620 plus the fine plus victim surcharge.  

    I agree - can talk about it till the Cows Come Home but 99.9% of people caught speeding are plain guilty no matter what they might claim. The short bit of Motorway M606 linking to the M62 snares hundreds averaging 100mph in a 50mph zone with just one well signed camera.

    This article from 2017 is self-explanatory  - https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/cars/article-4488724/Where-UK-s-10-highest-earning-speed-cameras.htmlb -

    Strangely enough in the Daily Mail but just looking at the figures quoted it does seem a lot of people maybe need to visit Specsavers - cannot all be wrongly labelled or unsigned.






  • diystarter7
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
  • jon81uk
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 
  • diystarter7
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 
    Hi

    Yes, the "gove changed them," does that not tell you something

    What do you have to say re saftey cam link I posted from TFL?

    In London, not sure where you live, when the cops/councils are out defending speed cams, the word "safety cams" is always used and in my judgment the right terminology as they are just that, Safet Cams

    Please do not forget of my record of no tickets etc whatsoever inc parking.

    Even good drivers can have an accident and painting them yellow is just another safety measure/warning to catch people's eye oat dangerous junctions, danger spots etc.

    Thanks
  • Car_54
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras


    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! 

    Indeed. The government never make silly, ill-informed, illogical decisions.

    That must be why the economy is booming and the NHS is thriving.
  • jon81uk
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 


    What do you have to say re saftey cam link I posted from TFL?


    I said this
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Safety camera could mean there are looking for people jumping red lights, or other issues not just speed.


    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 


    Even good drivers can have an accident and painting them yellow is just another safety measure/warning to catch people's eye oat dangerous junctions, danger spots etc.



    Pointing out that drivers need yellow cameras to behave safely actually makes me thing more cameras should be harder to see. Drivers should be following the speed limit even if they don't think they are being watched.
  • Grey_Critic
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    As I recall (and no doubt millions will say I have got it wrong) but painting cameras Yellow followed a court case where a judge commented that the grey ones were in effect sneaky and unfair to motorists and they should be more visible.
    I do note that in many places there is often a sign indicating the speed limit which is as it should be.
    IF they were more open about things (more repeater signs of all speeds then nobody could complain they did not know.

  • diystarter7
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 


    What do you have to say re saftey cam link I posted from TFL?


    I said this
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Safety camera could mean there are looking for people jumping red lights, or other issues not just speed.


    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 


    Even good drivers can have an accident and painting them yellow is just another safety measure/warning to catch people's eye oat dangerous junctions, danger spots etc.



    Pointing out that drivers need yellow cameras to behave safely actually makes me thing more cameras should be harder to see. Drivers should be following the speed limit even if they don't think they are being watched.
    Hi again

    So you are advocating these safet cams are hidden which will result in more death and destruction.

    Why on earth do you think the mas are painted yellow Yes it's to double warn, head-up to even good drivers like me in an area we may not be familiar with that place is an accident blackspot and or extra hazards.

    Those crims that drive around with no regard to the law, or rules are often the main culprits of destruction on our roads and pavements

    Are you saying that lawful/careful drivers are not guided/aided by warning signs and yell cam signs?

    I've told you and then even posted a link for a highly respected source re safety cams. I've told you how painting them yellow reduces accidents,. I've told you how the gov forced the hand of the gov to ensure all speed cams are painted yellow.

    TBH, I'm not sure why you are advocating hiding speed cams at accident blackspots and this is where speed cams are sited.

    When driving, I am always careful and signs, and yellow cams makes a safer driver like me safer.

    Many thanks for giving me the opportunity to back up the OP.

    Enjoy your weekend :)
  • diystarter7
    diystarter7 Posts: 5,202 Forumite
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    As I recall (and no doubt millions will say I have got it wrong) but painting cameras Yellow followed a court case where a judge commented that the grey ones were in effect sneaky and unfair to motorists and they should be more visible.
    I do note that in many places there is often a sign indicating the speed limit which is as it should be.
    IF they were more open about things (more repeater signs of all speeds then nobody could complain they did not know.

    Hi

    The OP is not complaining other than saying what you are say, Eg more decent signs at safety cams which I fully support.

    Re speeding, and parking tickets, winds m up as well as people saying this and the other to get out of it - just look out for the signs etc and obey the rules.

    Thanks
  • jon81uk
    jon81uk Posts: 3,896 Forumite
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    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 


    What do you have to say re saftey cam link I posted from TFL?


    I said this
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Safety camera could mean there are looking for people jumping red lights, or other issues not just speed.


    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    jon81uk said:
    alleycat` said:
    I think this is why i asked the question. 

    This particular stretch of works has been in place for many, many months now (Ouse bridge for anyone who's interested). The cameras are only a recent addition to works that haven't fundamentally changed very much.
    This is probably the first time I've ever come across works where "no" warning signage is in place at all.  At night, as it's an unlit stretch of motorway, you can't see the cameras (the speed limit signs are, mostly, lit). In practice it would seem to undermine the function they're installed for (protect the workforce and to mitigate against the "assumed" lower impact resistance of the temporary barriers).




    It shouldn't matter if you can see the cameras, if there are workers there or not, the important thing is that the speed limit signage is clear. You state the speed limit signage is lit.
    If there is clear signage and you are doing no more than the limit then nothing else should be of concern.
    Hi

    Please read the OP and their latest post. They are advocating what the gov preaches "safety" and I've posted examples where grey cam were forced to be changed to yellow cams. The OP was just highlighting a concern and concern shared by many me included, IE, if speed cams as "safety cams" as often touted by the gov, to increase safety, why not indeed make them more visible in areas where safety is of concern.

    Many thanks
    Again, why should that matter to the average motorist. The amended speed limit is what is improving safety, so the speed limit signage by itself should be enough for most people. The knowledge of a camera should not affect peoples driving style or how safe they are behaving.
    Hi again

    The highlighted bit, It should not matter but it does. Di you read fully my previous post and what thr gov states re speed cams aka by the proper name of SAFTEY CAMS.  This is why they are painted yell and I gave you a good example of highways forced to change them from grey to yellow, why was that?

    FYI, and I reiterate for your benefit, in the over 40 years of driving and always having cars inc some very cable ones, I've never had a speeding or any other ticket. Before the implementation of 5/20mph speed limits  drove within the limits of what I could see as a speed limit is just that a LIMIT and not the max speed you need to travel at.

    As the cams are Safet Cams - often sited where there it is deemed a higher risk - it is indeed and would be excellent practice to highlight the safety cams so people like us that are new to an area are helped with warning from dropping quickly form miles of possible 70mph to 30/etc.

    Should you still disagree with the OP and me, that is indeed your prerogative but the point of safety cams is just that so why not highly the tiny cams.

    Many thanks
    How does painting the camera yellow help warn me the speed limit is changing from 70 to 30? A yellow box doesn't indicate what speed limit applies.

    Oh and the painted yellow thing is only because the AA moaned and "felt" motorists were being conned. Nothing to do with safety, just motorists wanting to speed and get away with it.

    Where does the governement not refer to them as speed cameras?
    Speeding penalties - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera locations - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed camera data - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)
    Speed cameras on Smart motorways - GOV.UK (www.gov.uk)

    TfL use the term safety camera but not the government
    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras

    Hello again

    I can't speak for you but it helps me, the OP an millions of others.
    Ask yourself this - why did the gov agree to change the gey cams to yellow! Yes it is self-explanatory otherwise they painted the very dark grey and hid them behind trees/bins etc as done so in some countries.

    When speed cams are chatted about and fines, they are often referred to as Saftey cams.  Why is it that most cams are as per my previous post. That's right it to enhance 'Safety.' Why are speed cams at some roads works? Yes, correct to enhance safety.

    I live in London and trust me friend, the cams are everywhere.

    Re why the gov refer them to as "speed cams" - here, read below and this respected source that covers the whole of London
    is calling them "Safety cams"

    https://tfl.gov.uk/corporate/safety-and-security/road-safety/safety-enforcement-cameras




    Thanks
    The government changed them to yellow because of people moaning that the cameras were only there to make money and that they were deliberately hidden to catch people out. It was bad press and complaints from the RAC and AA that caused the guidance that they should be yellow. Nothing to do with safety. The speed limit itself is to do with safety, the speed cameras are there to enforce the speed limit where drivers are often speeding causing a safety issue.

    I've never come across anyone else talking about "safety cams" they are always referred to as speed cameras or traffic light cameras. 
    I also linked to that TfL page which discusses a mixture of different types of safety cameras including speed cameras, red light cameras and average camera systems. They still refer to speed cameras as one type of safety camera.

    Not sure why that information helps "millions of others". If you do the speed limit then you won't get caught, thats all anyone needs to know. 


    Even good drivers can have an accident and painting them yellow is just another safety measure/warning to catch people's eye oat dangerous junctions, danger spots etc.



    Pointing out that drivers need yellow cameras to behave safely actually makes me thing more cameras should be harder to see. Drivers should be following the speed limit even if they don't think they are being watched.
    Hi again

    So you are advocating these safet cams are hidden which will result in more death and destruction.

    Why on earth do you think the mas are painted yellow Yes it's to double warn, head-up to even good drivers like me in an area we may not be familiar with that place is an accident blackspot and or extra hazards.

    Those crims that drive around with no regard to the law, or rules are often the main culprits of destruction on our roads and pavements

    Are you saying that lawful/careful drivers are not guided/aided by warning signs and yell cam signs?

    I've told you and then even posted a link for a highly respected source re safety cams. I've told you how painting them yellow reduces accidents,. I've told you how the gov forced the hand of the gov to ensure all speed cams are painted yellow.

    TBH, I'm not sure why you are advocating hiding speed cams at accident blackspots and this is where speed cams are sited.

    When driving, I am always careful and signs, and yellow cams makes a safer driver like me safer.

    Many thanks for giving me the opportunity to back up the OP.

    Enjoy your weekend :)
    Drivers should be careful all the time as you are.

    If someone said please only take one biscuit, I assume you would be good and not take more than one? Then if someone said please only take one biscuit, there are cameras watching that shouldn't make any difference in the decision?
    Many people don't think anyone is watching so will happily take more.

    Same with the speed limit, they think no one is watching and there are no cameras so they speed through at 100mph. But if there is a yellow camera they know someone is watching and keep to the speed limit.
    If they didn't know someone was watching hopefully they would do the speed limit all the time. Better to have a hidden camera so people don't know they are being watched and therefore keep to the rules all the time instead of doing 100mph, braking to the speed limit and then speeding up again.
    This is also why average speed cameras are used more, people can't just break for the camera as easily.
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