Can this toilet be moved?

Doozergirl

pieroabcd said:

martindow said:

If your aim is to have two larger bedrooms, might it be simpler to leave the bathroom where it is, remove the wall between bedrooms 2 and 4 retaining the bedroom 4 door and move the bedroom 2/3 wall towards the front of the house? 

How simple it would be depends on the structural issues that others have raised.

Yes, it's simpler, but it's annoying to have the master bedroom on the road instead of on the garden.
I always wonder what passed in the builders' minds when they designed master bedrooms like this.

Who would ever want to have it on the most noisy place of the house? Very poor design

You think they were anticipating 2022 traffic levels 100 years ago? 

Doozergirl

pieroabcd said:

user1977 said:

pieroabcd said:

user1977 said:

pieroabcd said:

martindow said:

If your aim is to have two larger bedrooms, might it be simpler to leave the bathroom where it is, remove the wall between bedrooms 2 and 4 retaining the bedroom 4 door and move the bedroom 2/3 wall towards the front of the house? 

How simple it would be depends on the structural issues that others have raised.

Yes, it's simpler, but it's annoying to have the master bedroom on the road instead of on the garden.
I always wonder what passed in the builders' minds when they designed master bedrooms like this.

Who would ever want to have it on the most noisy place of the house? Very poor design

When was the house built?

1930s (like almost  all London, apparently)

And how noisy do you think the road was at night time in the 1930s?

We'll, I don't know how many cars and coaches/horses/other transport means were circulating, but London was already very crowded.
If you have a garden at the back  and a road facing part at the front, why choose the road facing one?
It seems natural to choose the garden side for a bedroom for two people

pieroabcd said:

Ath_Wat said:

Believe it or not, some people like their children to have quiet bedrooms.

Not much point having your bedroom overlooking the nice quiet garden if the baby wakes you up every time a car goes past.

UHm, actually i thought that children were "allocated" to the boxroom for a few years, that is on the road side.

It's far more about what fits in the layout of a design and maximises space than choosing front or back for a master bedroom.  

The drains are at the back, bathroom is dictated to be the smallest room.  The doorways for the larger bedrooms have no spare space, so the smaller bedroom of the two goes next to the bathroom. 

diystarter7

pieroabcd said:

jrawle said:

Section62 said:

Making substantial alterations is an expensive business.  Before doing that, make sure the way you are changing it will retain (if not enhance) the current saleability/value.

Indeed, given than (for right or wrong) in this country, properties are usually marketed according to number of bedrooms, this plan is likely to reduce the value. In the plan above, it would also be difficult to re-instate the small front bedroom as that would leave nowhere for a door to the master bedroom.

Personally, I would also not buy a house where the bathroom had no window. But then I would also not buy a house with no bath. Other people's preferences of course may vary.

Yes, but I noticed that people have started to realise that the value of the boxroom as bedroom is very questionable, or absent.
In two years that I've been following the market obsessively (literally every day like a part time job) I've noticed that nowadays high quality houses with 2 larger bedrooms are priced the same as houses with 2.5 bedrooms (where 0.5 is the boxroom).

Your concern about the toilet without windows is very reasonable, though. Actually I'm beginning to wonder how my current toilet is not developing mould.

We had a 1930's EoT like your house - the reason we bought it years ago they are very solid houses and the third bedroom, not sure if they accidentally made it a bit bigger but we coudl fit a 3/4 bed in their for our youngest at the time.

We then moved a one of the many pre 1900 houses in our area this was years ago moved from there but the 4 bed was converted to 3the main was 16 foot wide 2 knocked into one - the smaller was about 9' by ten

You are spot on re the half bedroom - people do avoid or may pay a fraction more than a 2 bed house that has a bathroom upstairs.

Ath_Wat

pieroabcd said:

Ath_Wat said:

Believe it or not, some people like their children to have quiet bedrooms.

Not much point having your bedroom overlooking the nice quiet garden if the baby wakes you up every time a car goes past.

UHm, actually i thought that children were "allocated" to the boxroom for a few years, that is on the road side.

The law that children must be placed in the boxroom was repealed some years ago.  You are now at liberty to put them in whichever room you like, in case you ever need to know.

pieroabcd said:

jrawle said:

Section62 said:

Making substantial alterations is an expensive business.  Before doing that, make sure the way you are changing it will retain (if not enhance) the current saleability/value.

Indeed, given than (for right or wrong) in this country, properties are usually marketed according to number of bedrooms, this plan is likely to reduce the value. In the plan above, it would also be difficult to re-instate the small front bedroom as that would leave nowhere for a door to the master bedroom.

Personally, I would also not buy a house where the bathroom had no window. But then I would also not buy a house with no bath. Other people's preferences of course may vary.

Yes, but I noticed that people have started to realise that the value of the boxroom as bedroom is very questionable, or absent.

That must have confused you, as you still thought the law forcing children to be put in the boxroom was in operation.

pieroabcd

Ath_Wat said:

pieroabcd said:

Ath_Wat said:

Believe it or not, some people like their children to have quiet bedrooms.

Not much point having your bedroom overlooking the nice quiet garden if the baby wakes you up every time a car goes past.

UHm, actually i thought that children were "allocated" to the boxroom for a few years, that is on the road side.

The law that children must be placed in the boxroom was repealed some years ago.  You are now at liberty to put them in whichever room you like, in case you ever need to know.

I was referring to the size: boxrooms seem to have been done for kids, generally.

In newer builds they seem to be vanishing, also thanks to a new layout with the stairs in the middle of the lounge rather than at the entrance (a design that I like much better).

Ksw3

We have a windowless bathroom. I hate it. Can't wait to move but then I also hate stairs in lounges so each to their own!

Boat_to_Bolivia

Ksw3 said:

We have a windowless bathroom. I hate it. Can't wait to move but then I also hate stairs in lounges so each to their own!

I do too.. but I've no chance of moving, unfortunately.

Ramouth

I don’t mind a windowless bathroom as long as it has good extract.  Much better than a bathroom with a window and no fan meaning you wash in a cold draft.  Each to their own though

Gycraig

Ksw3 said:

We have a windowless bathroom. I hate it. Can't wait to move but then I also hate stairs in lounges so each to their own!

Literally just noticed our en suite doesn’t have a window, our other one does but it’s frosted and always closed. What’s the benefit of a window in a bathroom ? 

user1977

Gycraig said:

Ksw3 said:

We have a windowless bathroom. I hate it. Can't wait to move but then I also hate stairs in lounges so each to their own!

What’s the benefit of a window in a bathroom ? 

It lets daylight in? It can also be opened for ventilation.