Can this toilet be moved?

pieroabcd

Hi,
with a 1st floor like this, is it generally possible to move the toilet from where it is now to the space in front of the stairs, taking some space from bedrooms 2 and 3?
I'd also like to knock down the walls between bedroom 3 and the toilet and between bedrooms 2 and 4, so as to make 2 larger bedrooms.
In the lounge there's no wall on the vertical of the wall separating bedrooms 2 and 3, so I assume that that wall is not load bearing.
On top of the 1st floor there's also a loft extension.






Thanks

diystarter7

Hi
Re toilet, any w/c can be moved, but you may see the new pipes so box in or get a macerator w/c

Re knocking down of walls and assuming, please be careful as some walls that don't look (to the untrianed eye) as though they are load bearing may well be so professional advice is always called for.

TheJP

What about the bathroom?

Doozergirl

It absolutely depends on the position of your waste pipes.   The ground floor plan usually helps with this, but you're saying it is a lounge.   

In order to move a toilet you need to consider that you're trying to reroute a 4 inch pipe through an existing structure.  

I suspect that your waste pipe is on the outside of the building at the back.  Whether you can get a four inch pipe back to there will depend on which way your joists are running.  

Generally speaking, coming from the middle of the house isn't easy because joists tend to run in different directions through the house.  

Is this a period property? 

pieroabcd

diystarter7 said:

Hi
Re toilet, any w/c can be moved, but you may see the new pipes so box in or get a macerator w/c

Re knocking down of walls and assuming, please be careful as some walls that don't look (to the untrianed eye) as though they are load bearing may well be so professional advice is always called for.

Of course I would involve a structural engineer, but I need to understand if it's already been done before or if an engineer thinks that it's feasible.
Btw, I would replace the bathtub with a shower

user1977

If you want to know what's been done before, might be best to have a look at other similar properties (estate agent listings, planning applications, etc) and see their floorplans. Seems like an excessive amount of hassle to me, especially if you end up having to either lower the downstairs ceiling or box in the waste pipe, and/or use a macerator (wake up everybody in the house when that goes off!).

On the topic of macerators, some people have strong opinions:

http://www.diyfaq.org.uk/index.php/On_the_Subject_of_the_Saniflo

Gavin83

Is this a mid terrace?

I'm assuming your soil stack is on the back of the house near the existing toilet and I'd assume your joists run horizontally on that picture. If both of these assumptions are true then it'll be a nightmare to place the toilet in the proposed location. I think you'd likely have to accept a macerator. You could possibly run the soil pipe along the back wall above the floor and box it in but depending on the distance you might not end up with the required fall on the pipe and therefore would have to raise the toilet.

Ramouth

We looked at doing something similar with our last property and it was possible but very disruptive.  We had alcoves either side of the fireplace in the dining room which we could get the soil pipe down through and had already lifted the floor to replace joists so we’re able to run under the floor to the existing stack position.  We went with a simpler solution in the end with the bathroom closer to existing drainage partly because we weren’t at all keen on having such a long shallow run under the floor with associated worry about blockages.

pieroabcd

Gavin83 said:

Is this a mid terrace?

I'm assuming your soil stack is on the back of the house near the existing toilet and I'd assume your joists run horizontally on that picture. If both of these assumptions are true then it'll be a nightmare to place the toilet in the proposed location. I think you'd likely have to accept a macerator. You could possibly run the soil pipe along the back wall above the floor and box it in but depending on the distance you might not end up with the required fall on the pipe and therefore would have to raise the toilet.

Yes, mid terrace. 
Uhm a macerator no no no:-)

Where I'm living now the house was rebuilt from  the owners twenty years ago, exactly with the layout that I need.

The drain pipes are clearly hidden in the ceiling (some leak) even without any covering, there's nothing protruding. This house had the same layout as the one in the floorplan (offer accepted) except that it was built in the 1890s instead of 1930s.

propertyrental

Is this a property you own, or are buying?

If buying have you had a survey done? A decent surveyor (NOT a cheap one who does a tick-box exercise) will be happy to discuss your plans before he does the survey, and then report on your specific plans as well as the normal survey report.

diystarter7

pieroabcd said:

diystarter7 said:

Hi
Re toilet, any w/c can be moved, but you may see the new pipes so box in or get a macerator w/c

Re knocking down of walls and assuming, please be careful as some walls that don't look (to the untrianed eye) as though they are load bearing may well be so professional advice is always called for.

Of course I would involve a structural engineer, but I need to understand if it's already been done before or if an engineer thinks that it's feasible.
Btw, I would replace the bathtub with a shower

Ok, but you did not say that in your OP
Is the shower gooing to be level access?