Honeywell CH Programmer CM927 - Can it be repaired?

Bendy_House

Leodogger said:

I think he said that he has to fit the Receiver to the boiler too, perhaps that is what adds to the cost of the whole thing.

That would make sense. If your current PS only controls the boiler with an 'on/off' signal, like the Hive, then a more advanced system would require extra connections to the boiler to fine-tune its modulation. So, fitting the new receiver in/to the boiler would appear to be needed.

macman

Leodogger said:

BUFF said:

Leodogger said:

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BUFF said:

there are direct replacements for CM927s (hopefully without the screen issues) if you wanted to do a straight swap

Like what?

Honeywell say the T4 or T4R.

Also, https://theintergasshop.co.uk/home/99-cms927-7-day-wireless-programmable-room-thermostat-cms927b1049.html etc. (if you search you may find this cheaper elsewhere)

Although my sister told me not to bother and just use the TRV's on the radiators and turn the heating off and on with those and save myself £80 like she does!    These programmers only last about 6-7 yrs by the looks of it, another throw away item in today's world where eco people and the government batter you to go green and not throw things away with no one supplying the repair shops to provide the solution to repair these thousands of appliances people end up dumping because they can't be repaired.   

Having previously run a system with TRVs only + programmer myself I can tell you confidently from personal experience that the room 'stat/programmer used properly will save you a significant amount of gas consumption/money.
My wireless room 'stat is a 14 years old Siemens, the programmer is a similarly aged Worcester (really a badged Drayton) & both are still going strong. 

Well as I said, my programmer is only about 6 or 7 yrs old which I don't think is old for something that will cost £100 to replace!   My washer only cost just over £200 and I consider that a far more useful appliance that will last at least as long if not longer.  My last washer lasted 13 yrs !!

If you bought a washing machine for only £200 then it isn't going to last you for 13 years! Modern budget badge-up jobs at that price are designed for as little as 500 cycles. Use it three times a week and you'll get about 4 years out of it before the bearings fail. It's a false economy.
If a programmer saves you just 2% of your energy bill, then it'll pay for itself within a year, once post EPG prices kick in next April.
The reason that these kind of electronics can't often be repaired is simple economics: the labour cost of repairing them is greater than the cost of replacing them. Electronics get cheaper every year labour costs rise. Your local place charging £10 is clearly doing it for fun only, he can't be charging less than about £30 an hour minimum to make any profit on electronic repairs.

Leodogger

macman said:

Leodogger said:

BUFF said:

Leodogger said:

BUFF said:

Leodogger said:

BUFF said:

there are direct replacements for CM927s (hopefully without the screen issues) if you wanted to do a straight swap

Like what?

Honeywell say the T4 or T4R.

Also, https://theintergasshop.co.uk/home/99-cms927-7-day-wireless-programmable-room-thermostat-cms927b1049.html etc. (if you search you may find this cheaper elsewhere)

Although my sister told me not to bother and just use the TRV's on the radiators and turn the heating off and on with those and save myself £80 like she does!    These programmers only last about 6-7 yrs by the looks of it, another throw away item in today's world where eco people and the government batter you to go green and not throw things away with no one supplying the repair shops to provide the solution to repair these thousands of appliances people end up dumping because they can't be repaired.   

Having previously run a system with TRVs only + programmer myself I can tell you confidently from personal experience that the room 'stat/programmer used properly will save you a significant amount of gas consumption/money.
My wireless room 'stat is a 14 years old Siemens, the programmer is a similarly aged Worcester (really a badged Drayton) & both are still going strong. 

Well as I said, my programmer is only about 6 or 7 yrs old which I don't think is old for something that will cost £100 to replace!   My washer only cost just over £200 and I consider that a far more useful appliance that will last at least as long if not longer.  My last washer lasted 13 yrs !!

If you bought a washing machine for only £200 then it isn't going to last you for 13 years! Modern budget badge-up jobs at that price are designed for as little as 500 cycles. Use it three times a week and you'll get about 4 years out of it before the bearings fail. It's a false economy.
If a programmer saves you just 2% of your energy bill, then it'll pay for itself within a year, once post EPG prices kick in next April.
The reason that these kind of electronics can't often be repaired is simple economics: the labour cost of repairing them is greater than the cost of replacing them. Electronics get cheaper every year labour costs rise. Your local place charging £10 is clearly doing it for fun only, he can't be charging less than about £30 an hour minimum to make any profit on electronic repairs.

You may be right but the point I am making is that we are having green policies rammed down our throat left right and centre and there is no repairing of items that have to go into the tip !!    I have written to my MP about it.    I refuse to be lectured on "saving the planet" when you can't get an item costing £170 with the installation cost, repaired !!   In the 50's and 60's you saw repair shops everywhere, now everyone is encouraged to dump items, millions of them, as soon as they play up which is playing into the corporates hands to make them billions of profits which are not being used to "save the planet" !!!!!   So government is paying lip service to these ridiculous policies !  Add to that that pensioners can't afford these prices all the time without access to cheaper alternatives!!!  By the way, repairs can be carried out in 20 minutes and if my hands had more dexterity, I would do it myself !!

BUFF

I don't think that you can include the installation cost, especially as to repair you would also need to remove & reinstall.

What you paid for the physical unit is not the same as what your supplier paid for it & certainly not what it cost to actually produce it. As already mentioned, the cost of electronics continue to fall generation by generation largely because more & more is being integrated into single components (chips) but that often also comes with a reduction in cost-effectiveness of repairability. The cost to disassemble, install new component & reassemble these days is often higher than the cost of replacing the unit (& potentially with better function than the original).

There is meant to be legislation regarding "right to repair" progressing although I am not sure of it's current status.
Also, there is dedicated recycling for electronics so they should not really go to landfill 
https://www.recycleyourelectricals.org.uk/about-material-focus/weee-regulations/ 

grumbler

BUFF said:

I don't think that you can include the installation cost, especially as to repair you would also need to remove & reinstall.

Well, in this case it's a wireless thermostat. Only the receiver needed installation and it works.

BUFF

I took it as a general point by the OP rather just for this specific situation.

FreeBear

Leodogger said: You may be right but the point I am making is that we are having green policies rammed down our throat left right and centre and there is no repairing of items that have to go into the tip !!

Waste electronics should go for recycling as per WEEE regulations and not dumped in landfill. There is quite a bit of valuable metals that can be recovered from electronic/electrical equipment (copper, tin, gold, and others). But sending our waste overseas to be recycled is not the answer.

Leodogger

FreeBear said:

Leodogger said: You may be right but the point I am making is that we are having green policies rammed down our throat left right and centre and there is no repairing of items that have to go into the tip !!

Waste electronics should go for recycling as per WEEE regulations and not dumped in landfill. There is quite a bit of valuable metals that can be recovered from electronic/electrical equipment (copper, tin, gold, and others). But sending our waste overseas to be recycled is not the answer.

Unfortunately recycle points for electronics is not well advertised and most people dump into landfill.   Have you ever popped up to your landfill recycle points where people throw TV's, radios, and all electric gadgets straight into the bins and many people don't even get that far if they are pensioners without transport and dump small items in their household recycle bins !

Leodogger

BUFF said:

I took it as a general point by the OP rather just for this specific situation.

There are You Tube adverts showing you how to repair these units and provided you have the dexterity to man handle the small electronic parts, it takes about 10-15 minutes.   Here is one :    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6FlFDlon8s

Unfortunately I am riddled with arthritis in my hands or I would do it myself but if these units can be repaired so easily, why is it not done?

FreeBear

Leodogger said:

FreeBear said:

Leodogger said: You may be right but the point I am making is that we are having green policies rammed down our throat left right and centre and there is no repairing of items that have to go into the tip !!

Waste electronics should go for recycling as per WEEE regulations and not dumped in landfill. There is quite a bit of valuable metals that can be recovered from electronic/electrical equipment (copper, tin, gold, and others). But sending our waste overseas to be recycled is not the answer.

Unfortunately recycle points for electronics is not well advertised and most people dump into landfill.   Have you ever popped up to your landfill recycle points where people throw TV's, radios, and all electric gadgets straight into the bins and many people don't even get that far if they are pensioners without transport and dump small items in their household recycle bins !

My local council* will collect small waste electrical & electronic items when they empty the bins. All that they ask is the items are placed in a carrier bag next to the bin. Perhaps approach your Councillor and suggest they do the same.

*) It would appear that quite a few other councils are offering the same service...

https://www.bristol.gov.uk/residents/bins-and-recycling/what-goes-in-your-bins-and-boxes/small-electrical-items-recycling

https://www.staffordbc.gov.uk/waste-electrical-and-electronic-equipment-collection-and-used-household-batteries

https://maidstone.gov.uk/home/primary-services/bins-and-recycling/additional-areas/other-collection-services