Honeywell CH Programmer CM927 - Can it be repaired?

Leodogger

BUFF said:

I don't think that you can include the installation cost, especially as to repair you would also need to remove & reinstall.

What you paid for the physical unit is not the same as what your supplier paid for it & certainly not what it cost to actually produce it. As already mentioned, the cost of electronics continue to fall generation by generation largely because more & more is being integrated into single components (chips) but that often also comes with a reduction in cost-effectiveness of repairability. The cost to disassemble, install new component & reassemble these days is often higher than the cost of replacing the unit (& potentially with better function than the original).

There is meant to be legislation regarding "right to repair" progressing although I am not sure of it's current status.
Also, there is dedicated recycling for electronics so they should not really go to landfill 
https://www.recycleyourelectricals.org.uk/about-material-focus/weee-regulations/ 

By the way, even though electronics advance year on year, all they do is introduce new "bolt on" items that have to be constantly replaced which is neither a saving to the consumer or a "saving the planet" idea !!   My sister for instance has never had a programmer but just a thermostat but when I suggested it to my CH engineer, he said she would not be able to do that with a new boiler since you have to have a programmer now to control the usage and to save on energy!   You might be saving a bit of energy but it will cost you every time it has to be replaced and these screens break down with increasing regularity !!

macman

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. They can normally be expected to last a decade or more. There is a known problem with the display on the CM927 and the wired equivalent, and the reflow fix promoted on YouTube is neither permanent or straightforward: your own appliance shop had never heard of it.
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

grumbler

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

Leodogger

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. They can normally be expected to last a decade or more. There is a known problem with the display on the CM927 and the wired equivalent, and the reflow fix promoted on YouTube is neither permanent or straightforward: your own appliance shop had never heard of it.
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

This is the second we have had in 10 yrs and we won't be buying another !   We are pensioners trying to live on the basic state pension of £141 per week (without my husband's tiny private pensions we would be eating out of dustbins by now!), this cost along with the rest of Sunak's bright ideas to fill his £50bn black hole is just another straw that breaks the camel's back.   If you can't afford it, you can't afford it and there are many more people than us who can't afford these ridiculous costly replacements to keep the corporates churning out more and more "gadgets" to fund their profit coffers.   We will not be able to afford to replace it and that is that !   Before anyone says you can get benefits and help, that is only for people who are single pensioners.   If you have more than £278 per week betweeen the TWO of you, you can't claim a penny.   If you are struggling to live on that which millions are, you certainly can't afford programmers at £160 a throw to get wired in, that is just a pure luxury.

macman

grumbler said:

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, as she is apparently convinced  that modern electronics are the spawn of satan and cunningly designed to fail within ten years. However, going by the latest rant, I think my efforts were unsuccessful..

Leodogger

macman said:

grumbler said:

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, as she is apparently convinced  that modern electronics are the spawn of satan and cunningly designed to fail within ten years. However, going by the latest rant, I think my efforts were unsuccessful..

Actually I am quite impressed with many modern technologies, things like the microwave for example and DVD players, Smart TV's etc.  I just find some examples are quite unnecessary since we managed without programmers and just with room thermostats long before they came along.   It just seems that some "gadgets" are invented to make millions for big companies.  After all they could quite easily have put the programmer ON the boiler and incorporated it into the cost just as programmers are put on other items, like microwaves etc. Now I have had my microwave for over 20 yrs and it is still as good as new.   Not ALL gadgets are either necessary or wanted.

grumbler

Leodogger said:

macman said:

grumbler said:

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, as she is apparently convinced  that modern electronics are the spawn of satan and cunningly designed to fail within ten years. However, going by the latest rant, I think my efforts were unsuccessful..

After all they could quite easily have put the programmer ON the boiler and incorporated it into the cost just as programmers are put on other items,

I disagree on this occasion. External programmer gives flexibility in terms of functionality and position/accessibility. E.g. your boiler can be in a loft. And I easily switched from my basic programmer to a smart one and will never look back.

Leodogger

grumbler said:

Leodogger said:

macman said:

grumbler said:

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, as she is apparently convinced  that modern electronics are the spawn of satan and cunningly designed to fail within ten years. However, going by the latest rant, I think my efforts were unsuccessful..

After all they could quite easily have put the programmer ON the boiler and incorporated it into the cost just as programmers are put on other items,

I disagree on this occasion. External programmer gives flexibility in terms of functionality and position/accessibility. E.g. your boiler can be in a loft. And I easily switched from my basic programmer to a smart one and will never look back.

What's wrong with having a room thermostat on the wall with an on/off switch on it?   People should have a choice.

grumbler

Leodogger said:

grumbler said:

Leodogger said:

macman said:

grumbler said:

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, as she is apparently convinced  that modern electronics are the spawn of satan and cunningly designed to fail within ten years. However, going by the latest rant, I think my efforts were unsuccessful..

After all they could quite easily have put the programmer ON the boiler and incorporated it into the cost just as programmers are put on other items,

I disagree on this occasion. External programmer gives flexibility in terms of functionality and position/accessibility. E.g. your boiler can be in a loft. And I easily switched from my basic programmer to a smart one and will never look back.

What's wrong with having a room thermostat on the wall with an on/off switch on it?   People should have a choice.

That's exactly my point.

However, I just realised that I don't understand what you call 'programmer' that you suggest to incorporate into the boiler.

BUFF

Leodogger said:

grumbler said:

Leodogger said:

macman said:

grumbler said:

macman said:

The LCD's do not 'break with increasing regularity'. ...
At current energy prices, the savings you will make using a modern digital programmer are vastly greater than the cost of replacing the programmer maybe once during the life of the boiler. 

I have several LCDs that are more than 20 years old and none failed.

And I don't see what a "modern digital programmer" can do that this one cannot (6 variable intervals per day, 7 days). Yes, some are easier to program, but that's it.

I was trying to give the OP the benefit of the doubt, as she is apparently convinced  that modern electronics are the spawn of satan and cunningly designed to fail within ten years. However, going by the latest rant, I think my efforts were unsuccessful..

After all they could quite easily have put the programmer ON the boiler and incorporated it into the cost just as programmers are put on other items,

I disagree on this occasion. External programmer gives flexibility in terms of functionality and position/accessibility. E.g. your boiler can be in a loft. And I easily switched from my basic programmer to a smart one and will never look back.

What's wrong with having a room thermostat on the wall with an on/off switch on it?   People should have a choice.

If you want as a replacement you can but it won't be as efficient (which is why you can't on a totally new install these days).
Multiply each little saving by the ~28 million households in the UK & it becomes more impressive.