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  • Ganga
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    We still have a breville type sandwich maker ,i dont use it but the grand kids can make themselves a hot sandwich safely ,still find it hard to clean ,would be better if the ceramic plates came out to wash with the other dishes.  
  • Sistergold
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    edited 19 December 2023 at 9:37AM
    Aren't air fryers just a fad like Breville sandwich toasters once were? 
    I thought that, but it does seem that quite a lot of people who have them do use them regularly, which I suppose is a sign that they are here to stay.
    There is a lot of hype around the cost savings ( minimal), and versatility ( limited) and at the end of the day they are just small fan ovens. However they seem handy/good for preparing certain types of foods for one or two persons.
    Will soon find out for real, as we are getting a medium sized one as a Xmas present !
    I was tempted by one but all the ads I see for them have the trays full of fattening stuff I would never eat (I feel ill if I see a KFC ad on TV, I mean what sort of family has their dinner out of a bucket?)  :D
    An airfryer is actually a very good method to eat healthy, it’s just it is for small quantities. As it’s so quick most use it for fast/frozen/unhealthy foods but this is a choice. Airfryer can do crispy foods with a drop of oil. For example for those who eat chips, if you cut your own chips using your own potatoes 🫣 you place in a bowl add a bit of water, add a drop of oil (as little or as much as you like) mix thoroughly ‘pour’ in the airfryer basket airfry you will have a healthy portion of chips. You can also use same method for potato alternatives like turnips, rutabaga, kohlrabi, celeriac, radishes, zucchini, spaghetti squash, pumpkin etc. Eating healthy is quick and quite tasty with an airfryer I must say. Even to roast beef, chicken, turkey or anything again it can be low or no oil. I have roasted cauliflower, broccoli, crispy kale etc. Anything you can do in an oven you should be able to do in an airfryer healthy or not. Cauliflower base pizza, yum yum. 
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  • Sistergold
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    edited 19 December 2023 at 9:45AM
    Aren't air fryers just a fad like Breville sandwich toasters once were? 
    I thought that, but it does seem that quite a lot of people who have them do use them regularly, which I suppose is a sign that they are here to stay.
    There is a lot of hype around the cost savings ( minimal), and versatility ( limited) and at the end of the day they are just small fan ovens. However they seem handy/good for preparing certain types of foods for one or two persons.
    Will soon find out for real, as we are getting a medium sized one as a Xmas present !
    I was tempted by one but all the ads I see for them have the trays full of fattening stuff I would never eat (I feel ill if I see a KFC ad on TV, I mean what sort of family has their dinner out of a bucket?:D
    Plenty!: https://visitbirmingham.com/inspire-me/areas/balti . (The literal translation of balti is "bucket").

    @Sistergold - can you expand on your comment "I also like to bake the normal way"? I'm not one for ready made food but the big driver for me to get a combination microwave was to bake small quantities of bakery products without additives (my previous attempts with the breadmaker were consistently dense, and resulted in a load that was far to big to consume before its best). Your post did make me think it might be worth hanging onto the old microwave btw, so as to avoid any accidental meltdowns by visiting family!

    The combi MWs all have different selling points. First thing is you need to decide on how much you want to spend max, as they can get expensive quickly with advertised functions. One will say it’s the best as it uses Steam+convention+MW the next will say it uses Grill+convention+MW etc and all this they will say it will do THIS dish in Xminutes, therefore cutting cooking time by @minutes. So with all that you choose one. So when you shop for one you have to be careful and see what functions are important to you so that those cooking results are the one that stand out for the model and brand you then buy.  So for example I then chose the whirlpool. 

    “Normal baking”
    When I mentioned “prefer normal baking” it more to do with bread and cakes. For savoury bakes like lasagna, pies, potato bake I would happily use the combi MW if the quantity permits.

    Now with this whirlpool yes it’s a big size but still I find I am restricted as to the height or level I can place  the item I want to bake. Bearing in mind by the time I chose the combi oven the issue of baking levels was not even on my list of wants. To be honest you would not want a crappy MW just for shelving adjustability? In a traditional oven once you have zeroed in on the oven functions you want and the oven size the oven will come as standard with the adjustable shelves. In a normal oven the goods to be baked can be as close to the bottom or top as you want. 

    Secondly with baking taking height adjusting out of the way say that did not matter I will now need to now “learn” and tweak my already perfected baking to the new method of cooking as presented by the combi MW? Imagine that I have prepared my cake mix and I stick it into combi and I get an unexpected result? To be honest? 

    Thirdly in a traditional oven you place multiple trays and bake at the same time on different level which I can not do in a combi MW again the issue of quantities and shelving possibilities. 

    While we are on it, the combi MW presents so many functions but the main one really is the microwave aspect? For those who microwave their food this is the important bit? So when I said it can be the only oven if you choose BUT for a small family? For a large family if this becomes the only oven it will really cause a queue?. I have four children and while I am baking one child might want to do a portion of pizza, or chips or grill a burger or warm some left overs? In my opinion a MW should almost be always free for the quick thing you want to stick in. For this reason for say one or two adults it’s okay on its own but for a household one will need to give it more thought? 

    For me as a conclusion if space was an issue I will get a small MW and keep my normal stove and oven setup so that the MW is free for the job it was created for. But in a good size kitchen a good size combi MW PLUS your normal stove oven setup is the best. You then choose when you want to use what without inconveniencing each other in the house. 
    To me a MW is all about convenience, speed, a particular result(mine has a crisp function) in medium to small quantities and needs to be free for family members to use.  
    Initial mortgage bal £487.5k, current £258k, target £243,750(halfway!)
    Mortgage start date first week of July 2019,
    Mortgage term 23yrs(end of June 2042🙇🏽♀️), 
    Target is to pay it off in 10years(by 2030🥳). 
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  • Albermarle
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    An airfryer is actually a very good method to eat healthy, it’s just it is for small quantities. As it’s so quick most use it for fast/frozen/unhealthy foods but this is a choice. 

    Nothing intrinsically wrong or unhealthy with frozen food.

  • Sistergold
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    edited 19 December 2023 at 10:57AM
    An airfryer is actually a very good method to eat healthy, it’s just it is for small quantities. As it’s so quick most use it for fast/frozen/unhealthy foods but this is a choice. 

    Nothing intrinsically wrong or unhealthy with frozen food.

    Let me change it to fast/unhealthy food or better still unhealthy food but who knows what that even means to different people? Still my point is the airfryer does not make or mean unhealthy food you are free to use it as you will from frozen or from fresh. It does not need to be associated with unhealthy cooking that’s all I wanted to say in that rumbling. 
    Initial mortgage bal £487.5k, current £258k, target £243,750(halfway!)
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    Mortgage term 23yrs(end of June 2042🙇🏽♀️), 
    Target is to pay it off in 10years(by 2030🥳). 
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  • An airfryer is actually a very good method to eat healthy, it’s just it is for small quantities. As it’s so quick most use it for fast/frozen/unhealthy foods but this is a choice. 

    Nothing intrinsically wrong or unhealthy with frozen food.

    If its ultra-processed I'd rather give it a miss. Frozen veg is fine though!
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  • Rosa_Damascena
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    edited 19 December 2023 at 11:23AM
    Aren't air fryers just a fad like Breville sandwich toasters once were? 
    I thought that, but it does seem that quite a lot of people who have them do use them regularly, which I suppose is a sign that they are here to stay.
    There is a lot of hype around the cost savings ( minimal), and versatility ( limited) and at the end of the day they are just small fan ovens. However they seem handy/good for preparing certain types of foods for one or two persons.
    Will soon find out for real, as we are getting a medium sized one as a Xmas present !
    I was tempted by one but all the ads I see for them have the trays full of fattening stuff I would never eat (I feel ill if I see a KFC ad on TV, I mean what sort of family has their dinner out of a bucket?:D
    Plenty!: https://visitbirmingham.com/inspire-me/areas/balti . (The literal translation of balti is "bucket").

    @Sistergold - can you expand on your comment "I also like to bake the normal way"? I'm not one for ready made food but the big driver for me to get a combination microwave was to bake small quantities of bakery products without additives (my previous attempts with the breadmaker were consistently dense, and resulted in a load that was far to big to consume before its best). Your post did make me think it might be worth hanging onto the old microwave btw, so as to avoid any accidental meltdowns by visiting family!

    The combi MWs all have different selling points. First thing is you need to decide on how much you want to spend max, as they can get expensive quickly with advertised functions. One will say it’s the best as it uses Steam+convention+MW the next will say it uses Grill+convention+MW etc and all this they will say it will do THIS dish in Xminutes, therefore cutting cooking time by @minutes. So with all that you choose one. So when you shop for one you have to be careful and see what functions are important to you so that those cooking results are the one that stand out for the model and brand you then buy.  So for example I then chose the whirlpool. 

    “Normal baking”
    When I mentioned “prefer normal baking” it more to do with bread and cakes. For savoury bakes like lasagna, pies, potato bake I would happily use the combi MW if the quantity permits.

    Now with this whirlpool yes it’s a big size but still I find I am restricted as to the height or level I can place  the item I want to bake. Bearing in mind by the time I chose the combi oven the issue of baking levels was not even on my list of wants. To be honest you would not want a crappy MW just for shelving adjustability? In a traditional oven once you have zeroed in on the oven functions you want and the oven size the oven will come as standard with the adjustable shelves. In a normal oven the goods to be baked can be as close to the bottom or top as you want. 

    Secondly with baking taking height adjusting out of the way say that did not matter I will now need to now “learn” and tweak my already perfected baking to the new method of cooking as presented by the combi MW? Imagine that I have prepared my cake mix and I stick it into combi and I get an unexpected result? To be honest? 

    Thirdly in a traditional oven you place multiple trays and bake at the same time on different level which I can not do in a combi MW again the issue of quantities and shelving possibilities. 

    While we are on it, the combi MW presents so many functions but the main one really is the microwave aspect? For those who microwave their food this is the important bit? So when I said it can be the only oven if you choose BUT for a small family? For a large family if this becomes the only oven it will really cause a queue?. I have four children and while I am baking one child might want to do a portion of pizza, or chips or grill a burger or warm some left overs? In my opinion a MW should almost be always free for the quick thing you want to stick in. For this reason for say one or two adults it’s okay on its own but for a household one will need to give it more thought? 

    For me as a conclusion if space was an issue I will get a small MW and keep my normal stove and oven setup so that the MW is free for the job it was created for. But in a good size kitchen a good size combi MW PLUS your normal stove oven setup is the best. You then choose when you want to use what without inconveniencing each other in the house. 
    To me a MW is all about convenience, speed, a particular result(mine has a crisp function) in medium to small quantities and needs to be free for family members to use.  
    I am pondering on your wisdom and experience here. Its the second point that stands out - if I had a cake failure I would be discouraged from trying again. I wanted to be able to stick a Bundt pan in, walk away for 50mins and come back to a perfect result rather than having to babysit the darned thing. I thought a fan assisted combi would let me do that.

    The third point isn't really a consideration for me, I have a full oven and a half oven and don't think I've used the former since my kitchen was refit (I recycled both the ovens and the d/w).
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  • Sistergold
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    edited 19 December 2023 at 1:07PM
    Aren't air fryers just a fad like Breville sandwich toasters once were? 
    I thought that, but it does seem that quite a lot of people who have them do use them regularly, which I suppose is a sign that they are here to stay.
    There is a lot of hype around the cost savings ( minimal), and versatility ( limited) and at the end of the day they are just small fan ovens. However they seem handy/good for preparing certain types of foods for one or two persons.
    Will soon find out for real, as we are getting a medium sized one as a Xmas present !
    I was tempted by one but all the ads I see for them have the trays full of fattening stuff I would never eat (I feel ill if I see a KFC ad on TV, I mean what sort of family has their dinner out of a bucket?:D
    Plenty!: https://visitbirmingham.com/inspire-me/areas/balti . (The literal translation of balti is "bucket").

    @Sistergold - can you expand on your comment "I also like to bake the normal way"? I'm not one for ready made food but the big driver for me to get a combination microwave was to bake small quantities of bakery products without additives (my previous attempts with the breadmaker were consistently dense, and resulted in a load that was far to big to consume before its best). Your post did make me think it might be worth hanging onto the old microwave btw, so as to avoid any accidental meltdowns by visiting family!

    The combi MWs all have different selling points. First thing is you need to decide on how much you want to spend max, as they can get expensive quickly with advertised functions. One will say it’s the best as it uses Steam+convention+MW the next will say it uses Grill+convention+MW etc and all this they will say it will do THIS dish in Xminutes, therefore cutting cooking time by @minutes. So with all that you choose one. So when you shop for one you have to be careful and see what functions are important to you so that those cooking results are the one that stand out for the model and brand you then buy.  So for example I then chose the whirlpool. 

    “Normal baking”
    When I mentioned “prefer normal baking” it more to do with bread and cakes. For savoury bakes like lasagna, pies, potato bake I would happily use the combi MW if the quantity permits.

    Now with this whirlpool yes it’s a big size but still I find I am restricted as to the height or level I can place  the item I want to bake. Bearing in mind by the time I chose the combi oven the issue of baking levels was not even on my list of wants. To be honest you would not want a crappy MW just for shelving adjustability? In a traditional oven once you have zeroed in on the oven functions you want and the oven size the oven will come as standard with the adjustable shelves. In a normal oven the goods to be baked can be as close to the bottom or top as you want. 

    Secondly with baking taking height adjusting out of the way say that did not matter I will now need to now “learn” and tweak my already perfected baking to the new method of cooking as presented by the combi MW? Imagine that I have prepared my cake mix and I stick it into combi and I get an unexpected result? To be honest? 

    Thirdly in a traditional oven you place multiple trays and bake at the same time on different level which I can not do in a combi MW again the issue of quantities and shelving possibilities. 

    While we are on it, the combi MW presents so many functions but the main one really is the microwave aspect? For those who microwave their food this is the important bit? So when I said it can be the only oven if you choose BUT for a small family? For a large family if this becomes the only oven it will really cause a queue?. I have four children and while I am baking one child might want to do a portion of pizza, or chips or grill a burger or warm some left overs? In my opinion a MW should almost be always free for the quick thing you want to stick in. For this reason for say one or two adults it’s okay on its own but for a household one will need to give it more thought? 

    For me as a conclusion if space was an issue I will get a small MW and keep my normal stove and oven setup so that the MW is free for the job it was created for. But in a good size kitchen a good size combi MW PLUS your normal stove oven setup is the best. You then choose when you want to use what without inconveniencing each other in the house. 
    To me a MW is all about convenience, speed, a particular result(mine has a crisp function) in medium to small quantities and needs to be free for family members to use.  
    I am pondering on your wisdom and experience here. Its the second point that stands out - if I had a cake failure I would be discouraged from trying again. I wanted to be able to stick a Bundt pan in, walk away for 50mins and come back to a perfect result rather than having to babysit the darned thing. I thought a fan assisted combi would let me do that.

    The third point isn't really a consideration for me, I have a full oven and a half oven and don't think I've used the former since my kitchen was refit (I recycled both the ovens and the d/w).
    If shelving levels are not an issue and quantities will not be an issue THEN honestly there is no reason why a combi MW will not be enough AS ONLY OVEN IN THE HOUSE! After a few Bundt cake failures you will become an expert I think? You might also be natural and just master the technique from start! The fan assist should really do it, It is an oven at the end of the day! I think you will learn quickly and come to love it? 

    For me as I have a big family no matter how good the combi bakes I will always need more than one oven. So if I went on and mastered it I will still need more than one. So for now why bother master its cake making aspect? I must confess I do make low carb cupcakes in the combi and they come out as hoped. For me once the quaintly is small enough I do gravitate towards the combi.
    Initial mortgage bal £487.5k, current £258k, target £243,750(halfway!)
    Mortgage start date first week of July 2019,
    Mortgage term 23yrs(end of June 2042🙇🏽♀️), 
    Target is to pay it off in 10years(by 2030🥳). 
    MFW#10 (2022/23 mfw#34)(2021 mfw#47)(2020 mfw#136)
    £12K in 2021 #54 (in 2020 #148)
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  • Aren't air fryers just a fad like Breville sandwich toasters once were? 
    I thought that, but it does seem that quite a lot of people who have them do use them regularly, which I suppose is a sign that they are here to stay.
    There is a lot of hype around the cost savings ( minimal), and versatility ( limited) and at the end of the day they are just small fan ovens. However they seem handy/good for preparing certain types of foods for one or two persons.
    Will soon find out for real, as we are getting a medium sized one as a Xmas present !
    I was tempted by one but all the ads I see for them have the trays full of fattening stuff I would never eat (I feel ill if I see a KFC ad on TV, I mean what sort of family has their dinner out of a bucket?:D
    Plenty!: https://visitbirmingham.com/inspire-me/areas/balti . (The literal translation of balti is "bucket").

    @Sistergold - can you expand on your comment "I also like to bake the normal way"? I'm not one for ready made food but the big driver for me to get a combination microwave was to bake small quantities of bakery products without additives (my previous attempts with the breadmaker were consistently dense, and resulted in a load that was far to big to consume before its best). Your post did make me think it might be worth hanging onto the old microwave btw, so as to avoid any accidental meltdowns by visiting family!

    The combi MWs all have different selling points. First thing is you need to decide on how much you want to spend max, as they can get expensive quickly with advertised functions. One will say it’s the best as it uses Steam+convention+MW the next will say it uses Grill+convention+MW etc and all this they will say it will do THIS dish in Xminutes, therefore cutting cooking time by @minutes. So with all that you choose one. So when you shop for one you have to be careful and see what functions are important to you so that those cooking results are the one that stand out for the model and brand you then buy.  So for example I then chose the whirlpool. 

    “Normal baking”
    When I mentioned “prefer normal baking” it more to do with bread and cakes. For savoury bakes like lasagna, pies, potato bake I would happily use the combi MW if the quantity permits.

    Now with this whirlpool yes it’s a big size but still I find I am restricted as to the height or level I can place  the item I want to bake. Bearing in mind by the time I chose the combi oven the issue of baking levels was not even on my list of wants. To be honest you would not want a crappy MW just for shelving adjustability? In a traditional oven once you have zeroed in on the oven functions you want and the oven size the oven will come as standard with the adjustable shelves. In a normal oven the goods to be baked can be as close to the bottom or top as you want. 

    Secondly with baking taking height adjusting out of the way say that did not matter I will now need to now “learn” and tweak my already perfected baking to the new method of cooking as presented by the combi MW? Imagine that I have prepared my cake mix and I stick it into combi and I get an unexpected result? To be honest? 

    Thirdly in a traditional oven you place multiple trays and bake at the same time on different level which I can not do in a combi MW again the issue of quantities and shelving possibilities. 

    While we are on it, the combi MW presents so many functions but the main one really is the microwave aspect? For those who microwave their food this is the important bit? So when I said it can be the only oven if you choose BUT for a small family? For a large family if this becomes the only oven it will really cause a queue?. I have four children and while I am baking one child might want to do a portion of pizza, or chips or grill a burger or warm some left overs? In my opinion a MW should almost be always free for the quick thing you want to stick in. For this reason for say one or two adults it’s okay on its own but for a household one will need to give it more thought? 

    For me as a conclusion if space was an issue I will get a small MW and keep my normal stove and oven setup so that the MW is free for the job it was created for. But in a good size kitchen a good size combi MW PLUS your normal stove oven setup is the best. You then choose when you want to use what without inconveniencing each other in the house. 
    To me a MW is all about convenience, speed, a particular result(mine has a crisp function) in medium to small quantities and needs to be free for family members to use.  
    I am pondering on your wisdom and experience here. Its the second point that stands out - if I had a cake failure I would be discouraged from trying again. I wanted to be able to stick a Bundt pan in, walk away for 50mins and come back to a perfect result rather than having to babysit the darned thing. I thought a fan assisted combi would let me do that.

    The third point isn't really a consideration for me, I have a full oven and a half oven and don't think I've used the former since my kitchen was refit (I recycled both the ovens and the d/w).
    If shelving levels are not an issue and quantities will not be an issue THEN honestly there is no reason why a combi MW will not be enough AS ONLY OVEN IN THE HOUSE! After a few Bundt cake failures you will become an expert I think? You might also be natural and just master the technique from start! The fan assist should really do it, It is an oven at the end of the day! I think you will learn quickly and come to love it? 

    For me as I have a big family no matter how good the combi bakes I will always need more than one oven. So if I went on and mastered it I will still need more than one. So for now why bother master its cake making aspect? I must confess I do make low carb cupcakes in the combi and they come out as hoped. For me once the quaintly is small enough I do gravitate towards the combi.
    The 959 actually has provision for shelves, too - solid or grill type. This maximises cooking space, but obviously loses out on the added heat evenness of a rotating shelf.
  • Aren't air fryers just a fad like Breville sandwich toasters once were? 
    I thought that, but it does seem that quite a lot of people who have them do use them regularly, which I suppose is a sign that they are here to stay.
    There is a lot of hype around the cost savings ( minimal), and versatility ( limited) and at the end of the day they are just small fan ovens. However they seem handy/good for preparing certain types of foods for one or two persons.
    Will soon find out for real, as we are getting a medium sized one as a Xmas present !
    I was tempted by one but all the ads I see for them have the trays full of fattening stuff I would never eat (I feel ill if I see a KFC ad on TV, I mean what sort of family has their dinner out of a bucket?:D
    Plenty!: https://visitbirmingham.com/inspire-me/areas/balti . (The literal translation of balti is "bucket").

    @Sistergold - can you expand on your comment "I also like to bake the normal way"? I'm not one for ready made food but the big driver for me to get a combination microwave was to bake small quantities of bakery products without additives (my previous attempts with the breadmaker were consistently dense, and resulted in a load that was far to big to consume before its best). Your post did make me think it might be worth hanging onto the old microwave btw, so as to avoid any accidental meltdowns by visiting family!

    The combi MWs all have different selling points. First thing is you need to decide on how much you want to spend max, as they can get expensive quickly with advertised functions. One will say it’s the best as it uses Steam+convention+MW the next will say it uses Grill+convention+MW etc and all this they will say it will do THIS dish in Xminutes, therefore cutting cooking time by @minutes. So with all that you choose one. So when you shop for one you have to be careful and see what functions are important to you so that those cooking results are the one that stand out for the model and brand you then buy.  So for example I then chose the whirlpool. 

    “Normal baking”
    When I mentioned “prefer normal baking” it more to do with bread and cakes. For savoury bakes like lasagna, pies, potato bake I would happily use the combi MW if the quantity permits.

    Now with this whirlpool yes it’s a big size but still I find I am restricted as to the height or level I can place  the item I want to bake. Bearing in mind by the time I chose the combi oven the issue of baking levels was not even on my list of wants. To be honest you would not want a crappy MW just for shelving adjustability? In a traditional oven once you have zeroed in on the oven functions you want and the oven size the oven will come as standard with the adjustable shelves. In a normal oven the goods to be baked can be as close to the bottom or top as you want. 

    Secondly with baking taking height adjusting out of the way say that did not matter I will now need to now “learn” and tweak my already perfected baking to the new method of cooking as presented by the combi MW? Imagine that I have prepared my cake mix and I stick it into combi and I get an unexpected result? To be honest? 

    Thirdly in a traditional oven you place multiple trays and bake at the same time on different level which I can not do in a combi MW again the issue of quantities and shelving possibilities. 

    While we are on it, the combi MW presents so many functions but the main one really is the microwave aspect? For those who microwave their food this is the important bit? So when I said it can be the only oven if you choose BUT for a small family? For a large family if this becomes the only oven it will really cause a queue?. I have four children and while I am baking one child might want to do a portion of pizza, or chips or grill a burger or warm some left overs? In my opinion a MW should almost be always free for the quick thing you want to stick in. For this reason for say one or two adults it’s okay on its own but for a household one will need to give it more thought? 

    For me as a conclusion if space was an issue I will get a small MW and keep my normal stove and oven setup so that the MW is free for the job it was created for. But in a good size kitchen a good size combi MW PLUS your normal stove oven setup is the best. You then choose when you want to use what without inconveniencing each other in the house. 
    To me a MW is all about convenience, speed, a particular result(mine has a crisp function) in medium to small quantities and needs to be free for family members to use.  
    I am pondering on your wisdom and experience here. Its the second point that stands out - if I had a cake failure I would be discouraged from trying again. I wanted to be able to stick a Bundt pan in, walk away for 50mins and come back to a perfect result rather than having to babysit the darned thing. I thought a fan assisted combi would let me do that.

    The third point isn't really a consideration for me, I have a full oven and a half oven and don't think I've used the former since my kitchen was refit (I recycled both the ovens and the d/w).
    If shelving levels are not an issue and quantities will not be an issue THEN honestly there is no reason why a combi MW will not be enough AS ONLY OVEN IN THE HOUSE! After a few Bundt cake failures you will become an expert I think? You might also be natural and just master the technique from start! The fan assist should really do it, It is an oven at the end of the day! I think you will learn quickly and come to love it? 

    For me as I have a big family no matter how good the combi bakes I will always need more than one oven. So if I went on and mastered it I will still need more than one. So for now why bother master its cake making aspect? I must confess I do make low carb cupcakes in the combi and they come out as hoped. For me once the quaintly is small enough I do gravitate towards the combi.
    The 959 actually has provision for shelves, too - solid or grill type. This maximises cooking space, but obviously loses out on the added heat evenness of a rotating shelf.

    That reminds me that i must get the 2 dozen mince pies done Mrs E keeps asking for.
    We're now on our 3rd Sharp r959 in 20yrs & wouldn't be without one , the full oven went years ago but to some extent the combi is going the same way as the old oven but still needed for some things,  it only gets used now for trays of pies ,Yorkshire puds very basic microwave duties & the biggy for us is it can get one of my homemade 1-1.5kg Pizza's in which consistently comes out well thanks to the low rack on the large rotating plate.
    Most of the time cooking is more than covered by the induction hob ,pressure cookers & the 5.5l airfryer, i was a skeptic of airfryers until just over a year ago but now a total convert on the grounds of taste,speed & running costs.

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