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JKenH

JKenH said:

JKenH said:

Yesterday I updated the WBAC valuation on the TM3 I had been following since May when it was £43,000. I forget all the details of the car but it was a Performance version. On 6 January 2023 WBAC valued it at £27,745 and since the price cuts on 13 January it has only lost £1,450, now down to £26,295.

WBAC messaged me again as the old valuation had expired and today it was down to £23,195! That’s £3,100 down in less than a week.

Better news today, the price has jumped back up almost £2k to £25,135.

JKenH

Toyota Calls On Science To Tell EV-Only Extremists That They’re Wrong

By contrast, Toyota wants to sell around 5.5 million internal combustion-engined and plug-in hybrid cars per year from 2030, as well as 3.5 million EVs, including 1 million Lexus-branded cars.

https://insideevs.com/news/650150/toyota-says-ev-extremists-are-wrong/

JKenH

EV demand up 39% y-o-y in January

A report on the used EV market from RSymons.

https://youtu.be/br7l1xg8Ru4

JKenH

Tesla sales of China-made electric vehicles up 18% in January

That was up 18 per cent from December, when the U.S. electric car maker sold 55,796 China-made vehicles, and 10 per cent higher versus January last year. 

Tesla's Shanghai plant in December cut output by about a third from November, and extended a Lunar New Year holiday period for workers in January, to cope with rising inventory.

https://www.channelnewsasia.com/business/tesla-sales-china-made-electric-vehicles-18-january-3251976

JKenH

Tesla Model Y gains full access to $7,500 EV tax credit with new $80,000 price limit

Today, the IRS updated its list of eligible EVs and fixed its mistake by making all versions of the Model Y eligible up to $80,000 MSRP

https://electrek.co/2023/02/03/tesla-model-y-gains-full-access-7500-ev-tax-credit-80000-price-limit/

So what happens to Model Y list prices in the US now? Does Tesla put them back up now all Model Ys are eligible up to $80k. 

JKenH

Solarchaser said:

JKenH said:

Tesla dispute - top auto insurers writing off rather than repairing crashed Tesla EVs

Data showed that insurers had totaled more than 120 Model Ys after they met collisions – meaning the insurers decided it would be cheaper to scrap the Tesla EV altogether and reimburse the owner rather than pay for its repair. These insurers then listed them at auction from December 2022 to early January this year.

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/tesla-dispute--top-auto-insurers-writing-off-rather-than-repairing-crashed-tesla-evs-434648.aspx

Is this going to increase or reduce insurance costs? High salvage values of Teslas may be swinging the decision to treat the vehicles as a constructive total loss, which may actually be a good thing, or are insurers writing them off to avoid the cost of hire cars while they wait for spare parts from Tesla (which can take a while), which is not so good? Or are Teslas just very expensive to repair? I have seen complaints from some people on social media that Tesla insurance costs have gone up.

Now that, I really do not want to be reading.
My Tesla is currently in storage waiting to be repaired,  while I'm being distinctly underwhelmed by a polestar

I read a story on Tesla Owners UK forum about some unfortunate individual whose Tesla was sitting at the repairers awaiting parts and they had let the HV and 12v batteries go flat despite the owner’s request to keep the car charged. I hope it’s not happening with yours. 

That got me thinking about all the Teslas currently sitting on car dealers lots for months, potentially  with batteries going flat. I wonder how many of them are keeping them charged. The dealer I bought my Golf from had let the 12v battery go flat and had to put a new one and they have had the same 3 M3s on the lot for months. I don’t know if there is anything in the Tesla warranty about keeping the HV batteries charged. 

Buying  a used Tesla (or any EV) that has been on a dealer’s lot for months would be a worry. 

Edit: the VED on the TM3P that I have been following as a price guide expired on 5 August 2022. That’s been 6 months sitting around unused. Can’t be good.

Edit 2: of the 3 Teslas at my local dealers, one is taxed and the VED on the others expired on 2 September and 6 September. 

I imagine it is a similar story around the country.

silvercar

JKenH said:

Solarchaser said:

JKenH said:

Tesla dispute - top auto insurers writing off rather than repairing crashed Tesla EVs

Data showed that insurers had totaled more than 120 Model Ys after they met collisions – meaning the insurers decided it would be cheaper to scrap the Tesla EV altogether and reimburse the owner rather than pay for its repair. These insurers then listed them at auction from December 2022 to early January this year.

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/tesla-dispute--top-auto-insurers-writing-off-rather-than-repairing-crashed-tesla-evs-434648.aspx

Is this going to increase or reduce insurance costs? High salvage values of Teslas may be swinging the decision to treat the vehicles as a constructive total loss, which may actually be a good thing, or are insurers writing them off to avoid the cost of hire cars while they wait for spare parts from Tesla (which can take a while), which is not so good? Or are Teslas just very expensive to repair? I have seen complaints from some people on social media that Tesla insurance costs have gone up.

Now that, I really do not want to be reading.
My Tesla is currently in storage waiting to be repaired,  while I'm being distinctly underwhelmed by a polestar

I read a story on Tesla Owners UK forum about some unfortunate individual whose Tesla was sitting at the repairers awaiting parts and they had let the HV and 12v batteries go flat despite the owner’s request to keep the car charged. I hope it’s not happening with yours. ........

You only seem to repeat the bad news stories on here. Plenty of stories of rangers popping up at Tesla charging centres to fix recall items before the owner is even aware there is a problem or a recall.

JKenH

silvercar said:

JKenH said:

Solarchaser said:

JKenH said:

Tesla dispute - top auto insurers writing off rather than repairing crashed Tesla EVs

Data showed that insurers had totaled more than 120 Model Ys after they met collisions – meaning the insurers decided it would be cheaper to scrap the Tesla EV altogether and reimburse the owner rather than pay for its repair. These insurers then listed them at auction from December 2022 to early January this year.

https://www.insurancebusinessmag.com/us/news/breaking-news/tesla-dispute--top-auto-insurers-writing-off-rather-than-repairing-crashed-tesla-evs-434648.aspx

Is this going to increase or reduce insurance costs? High salvage values of Teslas may be swinging the decision to treat the vehicles as a constructive total loss, which may actually be a good thing, or are insurers writing them off to avoid the cost of hire cars while they wait for spare parts from Tesla (which can take a while), which is not so good? Or are Teslas just very expensive to repair? I have seen complaints from some people on social media that Tesla insurance costs have gone up.

Now that, I really do not want to be reading.
My Tesla is currently in storage waiting to be repaired,  while I'm being distinctly underwhelmed by a polestar

I read a story on Tesla Owners UK forum about some unfortunate individual whose Tesla was sitting at the repairers awaiting parts and they had let the HV and 12v batteries go flat despite the owner’s request to keep the car charged. I hope it’s not happening with yours. ........

You only seem to repeat the bad news stories on here. Plenty of stories of rangers popping up at Tesla charging centres to fix recall items before the owner is even aware there is a problem or a recall.

You say “You only seem to repeat the bad news stories on here.“

That may just be a matter of perception. If you are expecting me only to post bad news that might be how you read what I post and of course your idea of what is bad news may differ from mine. I don’t consider the Toyota story to be bad news. There is a finite supply of materials, why not use them as effectively as we can? I might perceive your “good news” rangers story as “bad news”. I am not sure how my wife would feel about some stranger approaching her while charging and asking to be given access to the car to fix something she didn’t know was broken. It might seem like a scam to her, like the builder who is just passing offering to fix that loose tile you didn’t know about. 

Of the 6 posts I have made on this page I would have thought at least 4 you might have considered to be good news stories.

” Better news today, the price has jumped back up almost £2k to £25,135”. 

“EV demand up 39% y-o-y in January”

“Tesla sales of China-made electric vehicles up 18% in January”

“Tesla Model Y gains full access to $7,500 EV tax credit with new $80,000 price limit”

I would genuinely be interested to hear why you consider these to be bad news stories. I would also be interested in what is wrong with posting bad news stories? Isn’t that the foundation of most journalism and forums? Isn’t that what we get 24/7 on news channels. Most news stories are about something that has gone wrong; that’s just the way it is today. It would be nice to turn the clock back to the 1950s Pathe News jingoistic style of reporting but the world has changed. 

I started this thread to be an open forum for both good and bad news stories - it is not an EV cheerleading thread as the other was once called. I respect the other EV thread on this board is exclusively for good news stories and never post anything there that might possibly be considered negative. This thread is about the realities of EV life, both good and bad and for comment about anything EV related. I don’t mind what you post about EVs on here but in the interests of harmony can we please keep it to EVs and not make it too personal. If you feel the story about batteries potentially going flat on dealers forecourts is without foundation please feel free to provide alternative comment. 

Edit: replaced “negative” with “bad news” in para 2 line 6.
added to para 2 “It might seem like a scam to her, like the builder who is just passing offering to fix that loose tile you didn’t know about.” 

JKenH

JKenH said:

Tesla Model Y gains full access to $7,500 EV tax credit with new $80,000 price limit

Today, the IRS updated its list of eligible EVs and fixed its mistake by making all versions of the Model Y eligible up to $80,000 MSRP

https://electrek.co/2023/02/03/tesla-model-y-gains-full-access-7500-ev-tax-credit-80000-price-limit/

So what happens to Model Y list prices in the US now? Does Tesla put them back up now all Model Ys are eligible up to $80k. 

Yes. 

Tesla Model Y price up $1,000 after U.S. relaxes tax credit terms

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/02/04/tesla-model-y-price-raise-tax-credit/

Forgive me being cynical but at the time of announcing the price cuts last month a Tesla spokesperson said “ At the end of a turbulent year with interruptions to the supply chain, we have achieved a partial normalisation of cost inflation, which gives us the confidence to pass this relief onto our customers ..."

Does this mean costs are rising again?

1961Nick

JKenH said:

JKenH said:

Tesla Model Y gains full access to $7,500 EV tax credit with new $80,000 price limit

Today, the IRS updated its list of eligible EVs and fixed its mistake by making all versions of the Model Y eligible up to $80,000 MSRP

https://electrek.co/2023/02/03/tesla-model-y-gains-full-access-7500-ev-tax-credit-80000-price-limit/

So what happens to Model Y list prices in the US now? Does Tesla put them back up now all Model Ys are eligible up to $80k. 

Yes. 

Tesla Model Y price up $1,000 after U.S. relaxes tax credit terms

https://www.autoblog.com/2023/02/04/tesla-model-y-price-raise-tax-credit/

Forgive me being cynical but at the time of announcing the price cuts last month a Tesla spokesperson said “ At the end of a turbulent year with interruptions to the supply chain, we have achieved a partial normalisation of cost inflation, which gives us the confidence to pass this relief onto our customers ..."

Does this mean costs are rising again?

It probably meant that they reduced the price by more than they wanted to because of all the confusion about tax credits & what constituted an SUV & what didn't.