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  • JKenH
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    Post-Brexit watchdog ‘ready’ to investigate flood of cheaper Chinese electric cars

    Concern is growing among some senior backbench MPs over the future of the British car industry. Last year UK members of the inter-parliamentary alliance on China – co-chaired by the former Conservative party leader Iain Duncan Smith and the Labour peer Helena Kennedy – said the UK was “sleep-walking” into a situation where carmakers could be “undercut to the point of extinction” by Chinese companies.

    Sam Lowe, a trade policy expert at Flint Global and former member of the UK government’s strategic trade advisory group, said last week that he expected the EU to impose tariffs on Chinese EVs this year.

    “While the UK government and industry are currently publicly reluctant to replicate the EU measures, this will probably change once China-originating cars originally destined for the EU turn up in observable quantities on British driveways,” he said.


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  • JKenH
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    A Guardian article on the BYD Seal included this chapter. Another Mr Bean style fact check to follow, perhaps?


    What about insurance?

    Recently, drivers of electric cars have had problems getting competitively priced insurance. While generally drivers around the country generally have faced premiums rising by more than 50%, EV owners have often had to contend with even bigger rises.

    A Tesla owner saw his insurance go up from £1,200 a year to £5,000. Others have seen their insurer simply drop out of the market. As many EVs have expensive features, the cost of repairing them has had a knock-on effect on premiums.

    Zoom EV says that because electric cars are relatively new, there is not enough data to enable companies to assess risk, leading to higher quotes.

    Fowler tested what it would cost to insure a BYD Seal for a 55-year-old man living in Buckinghamshire looking for a comprehensive policy. He was quoted £1,541 as the cheapest option. Insuring his Skoda Yeti, under the same terms, comes in at about £300, he says.


    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2024/feb/12/china-wants-us-to-buy-its-electric-cars-should-you-hit-the-road-in-one


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  • JKenH
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    I have posted this specifically for the paragraph quoted. I have recently seen in EV Facebook groups the question being asked - with all its technology why doesn’t Tesla do something about ICEing of their chargers (no, not the Chicago type - the type described in this article). Well, it seems that Alfa Power already can issue a fine (probably not technically the correct term) so when will Tesla?

    What is ICEing and why does it annoy electric car owners?


    However, some charging points, such as those operated by Alfa Power, are now guarded by CCTV cameras – and anyone who doesn’t charge can expect a fine. Yes, even if they’re driving an electric car. Are you ICEing if your car is electric? 

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  • Grumpy_chap
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    JKenH said:
     I have recently seen in EV Facebook groups the question being asked - with all its technology why doesn’t Tesla do something about ICEing of their chargers 
    Do Tesla chargers get ICE'd a lot?
    When in use (plugged in) there is a penalty charge applied for over-stay.
    The location of the Tesla chargers is usually far from main facilities at a site, unlike Disabled bays or a good proportion of other branded public EV chargers.  Whereas ICE'ing a space near the entrance to the cafe, toilets or whatever has some understanding of purpose, to ICE a Tesla charger, or any other provision, that is far from the facilities is illogical.  t would suggest a very conscious effort by the individual doing the ICE'ing.
  • JKenH
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    JKenH said:
     I have recently seen in EV Facebook groups the question being asked - with all its technology why doesn’t Tesla do something about ICEing of their chargers 
    Do Tesla chargers get ICE'd a lot?
    When in use (plugged in) there is a penalty charge applied for over-stay.
    The location of the Tesla chargers is usually far from main facilities at a site, unlike Disabled bays or a good proportion of other branded public EV chargers.  Whereas ICE'ing a space near the entrance to the cafe, toilets or whatever has some understanding of purpose, to ICE a Tesla charger, or any other provision, that is far from the facilities is illogical.  t would suggest a very conscious effort by the individual doing the ICE'ing.
    I suspect it’s more of an American thing (and it often is deliberate) but EVs also might just park in the charging space and if they haven’t been charging Tesla (and presumably most other charge point operators) don’t know they are there.

    Tesla Model Y charges over curb after Supercharger gets fully ICE-d out


    https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-charges-over-curb-supercharger-fully-iced-photos/
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  • JKenH
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    JKenH said:

    Used car market up as EV sales reach record levels

    Across the year, sales of used battery electric cars (BEV) almost doubled, rising 90.9% to a record 118,973 units and a 1.6% share of the overall market, up from 0.9% in 2022. The uplift is in line with growth in the new car sector and demonstrates keen demand for zero emission motoring in this naturally more affordable price bracket.



    This seems good news so why isn’t it in the good news thread?

    Well, I don’t think the figures are quite as good as they seem, at least not the % growth. 

    These are the figures for 2022.


    That to me looks like 67% growth in BEVs not 90.9%. That’s still good but if we look at the trend it isn’t as good as it might have been given the ever increasing supply of BEVs coming into the market as fleet contracts came to an end. 

    Across 2022 as a whole BEVs accounted for 1.03% (not 0.9%) of all transactions but there had been a rising trend and in Q4 2022 BEVs made up 1.47% of sales or 23,039 units. 

    In Q2 and Q3 2023 BEVs were on a roll and had reached 1.7 and 1.8% of sales with sales of 30,645 and 34,021 units. This slipped back to 1.67% in Q4 2023 with 28050 units which was an increase of 22% in a market which had risen 7% or a net increase of 13.7% in market share y-o-y for the quarter.


    So while 2023 as a whole looks good for BEVs the trend is one of flattening off,  just as we have seen with new BEV sales. 
    It seems that the 2022 FY figures for used EV sales published in February 2023 by the SMMT were incorrect and should have been 62,338 not 71,071. It is strange that they realised that in time to calculate the 2023 y-o-y growth but didn’t rewrite their report on the 2022 figures until today. No explanation or apology - just a discrete rewrite with the corrected figures. 
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  • JKenH
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    Technical error blamed as SMMT lowers figures for 2022’s used electric and plug-in hybrid sales


    The SMMT has republished its used car sales data for 2022 showing a big decrease in the number of electric vehicles that changed hands than originally stated.

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    ‘No evidence’ electric cars ‘struggle’ with UK’s cold weather – AA


    “There is no evidence that the UK’s colder weather means EVs struggle, even if range is slightly reduced.

    “Of course, EVs, like all types of vehicles, are not as efficient in the extreme cold, but our data showed they worked well in January in the UK.

    “Drivers accept that range will be diminished, particularly if the cold means that drivers are using in-car heating and blowers.

    “Many EV drivers adapt to the colder conditions by pre-heating and de-icing their vehicles remotely before they leave home, and then using heated seats to keep warm as this uses less energy.”

    Mr King said it is vital that drivers are encouraged to switch to electric motoring “when they are ready to do so” by purchase incentives, enhanced charging infrastructure and “accurate information rather than myths”.



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  • 1961Nick
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    4kWp (black/black) - Sofar Inverter - SSE(141°) - 30° pitch - North Lincs
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    1961Nick said:
    Decent battery size (48kwH) but poor choice of colour - red, white, black and 3 shades of green.
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