EV Discussion thread

MikeJXE

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Grumpy_chap

JKenH said:

I think part of the reason we enjoy driving EVs so much is that they are different. After 50 years of driving ICE cars, EVs were a refreshing change but is it any different to falling for a younger woman after 50 years of marriage. It is easy to be blinded by the attraction of the new and make allowances (excuses) for the bits that aren’t  quite so good. Sometimes you realise what you’ve known and got used to for 50 years is not such a bad option.

The big benefit of an EV over a younger woman is that buying an EV means I can keep my wife and all my bodily parts intact.
I have not yet reached 50 years of marriage, so maybe then I will be happy to sacrifice some bodily parts for the short period before the younger model is woefully disappointed and I am thrown out to the scrap heap...

thevilla

MikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

JKenH

thevilla said:

PMikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

But will they? Society as a whole may suffer if we fail to tackle climate change but on an individual level, particularly in the UK, there is less to worry about. The people who will suffer will be those in poorer countries who have limited options. Usually those who act in an altruistic manner profit the least from their altruism. 

As an example, giving all your money away to charities supporting the poor may not benefit your children and grandchildren as much as investing it in, say, good wholesome food and a good education for them. 

Is your duty to your family or to the inhabitants of the undeveloped world? There is no right answer to that question.

michaels

JKenH said:

thevilla said:

PMikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

But will they? Society as a whole may suffer if we fail to tackle climate change but on an individual level, particularly in the UK, there is less to worry about. The people who will suffer will be those in poorer countries who have limited options. Usually those who act in an altruistic manner profit the least from their altruism. 

As an example, giving all your money away to charities supporting the poor may not benefit your children and grandchildren as much as investing it in, say, good wholesome food and a good education for them. 

Is your duty to your family or to the inhabitants of the undeveloped world? There is no right answer to that question.

I hope you are not hopelessly naive. Lots of people have seen their homes flooded who never previously did, in the UK and when the !!!!!! hits in terms of food production even poor countries turn down money and feed their own. UK produces 50% of the calories we eat.

MikeJXE

michaels said:

JKenH said:

thevilla said:

PMikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

But will they? Society as a whole may suffer if we fail to tackle climate change but on an individual level, particularly in the UK, there is less to worry about. The people who will suffer will be those in poorer countries who have limited options. Usually those who act in an altruistic manner profit the least from their altruism. 

As an example, giving all your money away to charities supporting the poor may not benefit your children and grandchildren as much as investing it in, say, good wholesome food and a good education for them. 

Is your duty to your family or to the inhabitants of the undeveloped world? There is no right answer to that question.

I hope you are not hopelessly naive. Lots of people have seen their homes flooded who never previously did, in the UK and when the !!!!!! hits in terms of food production even poor countries turn down money and feed their own. UK produces 50% of the calories we eat.

My kids and grandkids already know that and it won't only be global warming

We live in a dangerous world of our own making, 

There is no doubt this country will get hotter with  more extremes of weather 

Whether you like it or not what we do as a country will make little difference if other major countries do nothing 

That's not even considering the people in power where the only thing that matters to them is wealth

thevilla

michaels said:

JKenH said:

thevilla said:

PMikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

But will they? Society as a whole may suffer if we fail to tackle climate change but on an individual level, particularly in the UK, there is less to worry about. The people who will suffer will be those in poorer countries who have limited options. Usually those who act in an altruistic manner profit the least from their altruism. 

As an example, giving all your money away to charities supporting the poor may not benefit your children and grandchildren as much as investing it in, say, good wholesome food and a good education for them. 

Is your duty to your family or to the inhabitants of the undeveloped world? There is no right answer to that question.

I hope you are not hopelessly naive. Lots of people have seen their homes flooded who never previously did, in the UK and when the !!!!!! hits in terms of food production even poor countries turn down money and feed their own. UK produces 50% of the calories we eat.

Add in the amount of human migration from areas no longer habitable.  It could and probably will be chaos.

QrizB

Grumpy_chap said:

The big benefit of an EV over a younger woman is that buying an EV means I can keep my wife and all my bodily parts intact.

If you're not sure about an EV you can rent one for a few hours or days to see how it suits you.
I guess you could do the same for the other option, too ...

JKenH

michaels said:

JKenH said:

thevilla said:

PMikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

But will they? Society as a whole may suffer if we fail to tackle climate change but on an individual level, particularly in the UK, there is less to worry about. The people who will suffer will be those in poorer countries who have limited options. Usually those who act in an altruistic manner profit the least from their altruism. 

As an example, giving all your money away to charities supporting the poor may not benefit your children and grandchildren as much as investing it in, say, good wholesome food and a good education for them. 

Is your duty to your family or to the inhabitants of the undeveloped world? There is no right answer to that question.

I hope you are not hopelessly naive. Lots of people have seen their homes flooded who never previously did, in the UK and when the !!!!!! hits in terms of food production even poor countries turn down money and feed their own. UK produces 50% of the calories we eat.

Be careful not to confuse weather and climate. I posted recently about the BBC incorrectly attributing weather events to climate change. Many of our recent flooding events have been exacerbated by increasing urbanisation resulting in more rapid run off in built up areas. Flooding following heavy rain has occurred for millennia both here and abroad. Remember the Lynmouth floods in the UK in 1952? 

The UK could produce much more of the food we eat. It is largely for commercial reasons (it’s cheaper) we import food and of course we all like to eat crops out of season, plus many favour foreign diets - an increasing trend with increasing immigration. When I was a kid the only rice that got consumed was in rice pudding! In a temperate climate (like much of the populated northern hemisphere) climate change may have a net positive benefit. Some areas may no longer be able to grow certain crops but it may open up production in certain other areas. You could, of course, petition to stop building solar farms on agricultural land if you are that worried about food security.

thevilla

JKenH said:

michaels said:

JKenH said:

thevilla said:

PMikeJXE said:

EricMears said:

MikeJXE said:

I don't worry about them, what would be the point I can't do anything about it. 

If the whole world thinks "I can't do anything about it"  then absolutely no 'improvement' could ever happen.  But if everyone decided to try and make some effort towards improving things then something might result.

A fat chance of that ever happening 

Go and tell your grandchildren they will have a far more difficult and dangerous adult life because you and many of the other 8 billion on earth simply couldn't be bothered until everyone else was.

But will they? Society as a whole may suffer if we fail to tackle climate change but on an individual level, particularly in the UK, there is less to worry about. The people who will suffer will be those in poorer countries who have limited options. Usually those who act in an altruistic manner profit the least from their altruism. 

As an example, giving all your money away to charities supporting the poor may not benefit your children and grandchildren as much as investing it in, say, good wholesome food and a good education for them. 

Is your duty to your family or to the inhabitants of the undeveloped world? There is no right answer to that question.

I hope you are not hopelessly naive. Lots of people have seen their homes flooded who never previously did, in the UK and when the !!!!!! hits in terms of food production even poor countries turn down money and feed their own. UK produces 50% of the calories we eat.

Be careful not to confuse weather and climate. I posted recently about the BBC incorrectly attributing weather events to climate change. Many of our recent flooding events have been exacerbated by increasing urbanisation resulting in more rapid run off in built up areas. Flooding following heavy rain has occurred for millennia both here and abroad. Remember the Lynmouth floods in the UK in 1952? 

The UK could produce much more of the food we eat. It is largely for commercial reasons (it’s cheaper) we import food and of course we all like to eat crops out of season, plus many favour foreign diets - an increasing trend with increasing immigration. When I was a kid the only rice that got consumed was in rice pudding! In a temperate climate (like much of the populated northern hemisphere) climate change may have a net positive benefit. Some areas may no longer be able to grow certain crops but it may open up production in certain other areas. You could, of course, petition to stop building solar farms on agricultural land if you are that worried about food security.

It's not usually possible to attribute a single event to climate change but are you suggesting there is no trend?  Your earlier post suggested you were enjoying the benefits of warmer weather.  Even short term trends can't be positively attributed afaik but the coffee seems to be very fragrant and virtually no one is in the denial camp now.  Still some want to sit on their hands.  If we'd doubled our efforts 30 years ago we'd have another 30 years to fix our damage.