EV Discussion thread

Reed_Richards

So what do you cognoscenti think of the Corsa-E?  My current car is a Yaris hybrid that cost me £12,000 in 2013.  I could just about cope with paying £20,000 for a car; anything more seems excessive.  A few times a month I drive a 100 mile round trip, a few times a week it's a 20 mile round trip and a few times a year I go off on a longer journey.  I managed to drive about 8000 miles last year, I don't know how; it must be those rare long journeys pushing up the mileage.

Petriix

Reed_Richards said:

So what do you cognoscenti think of the Corsa-E?  My current car is a Yaris hybrid that cost me £12,000 in 2013.  I could just about cope with paying £20,000 for a car; anything more seems excessive.  A few times a month I drive a 100 mile round trip, a few times a week it's a 20 mile round trip and a few times a year I go off on a longer journey.  I managed to drive about 8000 miles last year, I don't know how; it must be those rare long journeys pushing up the mileage.

The CorsaE is fine for short to medium range driving (which is basically what you describe). As long as you have home charging then £20k new is decent value. However, you'd be financially better going for something second hand like an MG5 from around £14k or a Zoe from about £10k - just make sure the Zoe has the 50kWh battery and CCS charging. 

JKenH

Sunak to defy Tory net zero sceptics and bring in strict electric car targets

Rishi Sunak is set to defy Tory MPs who want to water down net zeroclimate targets by sticking with a strict timetable to phase out petrol and diesel cars.

The government is said to be ready to set out its final plan for the forced transition to electric cars within weeks – with binding targets on UK carmakers to produce more in the immediate years ahead.

Despite being urged by net zero sceptics to relax the rules, No 10 and the Department for Transport confirmed Mr Sunak would stick with both the 2030 ban and interim targets set to begin in 2024.

It will require 22 per cent of all new cars sold next year to be electric vehicles, increasing to 50 per cent in 2028. Manufacturers who fail to comply with the targets face fines of up to £15,000 per car.

https://www.independent.co.uk/climate-change/news/sunak-electric-cars-tories-climate-b2412764.html

and the unintended consequence reported by the BBC

But there is an extra twist on this issue for carmakers in Britain, which some privately describe as "farcical".

In a few weeks' time the government will introduce its Zero Emissions Vehicle (ZEV) mandate, designed to force carmakers down the path towards hitting targets to eliminate the sale of the combustion engine.

If a car company misses its target that 22% of its sales are electric, starting in January, it will either face fines of £15,000 per vehicle, or have to buy a surplus credit from a company that has sold lots of electric vehicles.

It happens to be the case that the Chinese-made import brands are mainly all electric.

The net result of all this, fear some in the car industry, is a system where existing UK manufacturers, including of hybrid cars, will pay thousands of pounds to subsidise electric imports.

Essentially, UK factories, which face competition from Chinese electric imports, could have to subsidise them.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-66820791

Grumpy_chap

I just read, and was just about to link, the BBC article that Ken just posted.
The lack of quality undermines the message.

What is anyone meant to say about this line?
"And the all important battery life and range? Impressive."
Seems like juts more fuel for the naysayers.  What is "impressive" meant to mean if not followed up with some kind of data?

michaels

Reed_Richards said:

So what do you cognoscenti think of the Corsa-E?  My current car is a Yaris hybrid that cost me £12,000 in 2013.  I could just about cope with paying £20,000 for a car; anything more seems excessive.  A few times a month I drive a 100 mile round trip, a few times a week it's a 20 mile round trip and a few times a year I go off on a longer journey.  I managed to drive about 8000 miles last year, I don't know how; it must be those rare long journeys pushing up the mileage.

Have heard bad reports re range with people getting 100 or less cold motorway journeys - assume the same applies to all the 50kwh sellantis cars.  I might be more tempted by a 1-2 year old leaf 62.

shinytop

Petriix said:

Reed_Richards said:

So what do you cognoscenti think of the Corsa-E?  My current car is a Yaris hybrid that cost me £12,000 in 2013.  I could just about cope with paying £20,000 for a car; anything more seems excessive.  A few times a month I drive a 100 mile round trip, a few times a week it's a 20 mile round trip and a few times a year I go off on a longer journey.  I managed to drive about 8000 miles last year, I don't know how; it must be those rare long journeys pushing up the mileage.

The CorsaE is fine for short to medium range driving (which is basically what you describe). As long as you have home charging then £20k new is decent value. However, you'd be financially better going for something second hand like an MG5 from around £14k or a Zoe from about £10k - just make sure the Zoe has the 50kWh battery and CCS charging. 

I'm sure it would work for you but I'm finding it hard to hear "Vauxhall Corsa" and "£20,000" casually featuring in the same sentence.  

Exiled_Tyke

Petriix said:

The CorsaE is fine for short to medium range driving (which is basically what you describe). As long as you have home charging then £20k new is decent value. However, you'd be financially better going for something second hand like an MG5 from around £14k or a Zoe from about £10k - just make sure the Zoe has the 50kWh battery and CCS charging. 

Doesn't the Zoe have a really poor safety rating? 

Reed_Richards

shinytop said:

I'm sure it would work for you but I'm finding it hard to hear "Vauxhall Corsa" and "£20,000" casually featuring in the same sentence.  

I find it hard to place "car I might buy" and "£20,000" in the same sentence.  

QrizB

shinytop said:

I'm sure it would work for you but I'm finding it hard to hear "Vauxhall Corsa" and "£20,000" casually featuring in the same sentence.  

The cheapest Dacia Sandero is almost £14k these days, not £6k. Times have changed.

Martyn1981

Exiled_Tyke said:

Petriix said:

The CorsaE is fine for short to medium range driving (which is basically what you describe). As long as you have home charging then £20k new is decent value. However, you'd be financially better going for something second hand like an MG5 from around £14k or a Zoe from about £10k - just make sure the Zoe has the 50kWh battery and CCS charging. 

Doesn't the Zoe have a really poor safety rating? 

Yep, the original was 5 star, but the upgrade got zero stars. The newer one did remove one of the smaller airbags, but otherwise is comparable to the first gen, it's just that the standards went up. Not sure how to word this correctly, but it didn't get worse, it simply failed to improve the way the competition did, which is still a negative when comparing it to other newer designed cars/BEV's.