EV Discussion thread

Grumpy_chap

Reed_Richards said:

Grumpy_chap said:

How will I know it is actually the LR version?

I see it has managed to do 53,000 miles since 2020, is that a clue?

Not necessarily.
Only 18k miles per year.
Less than 100 miles per working day

michaels

Reed_Richards said:

Grumpy_chap said:

How will I know it is actually the LR version?

I see it has managed to do 53,000 miles since 2020, is that a clue?

We have done over 12k pa some years in our Leaf 24 - so I would have thought even in an standard range that would be no problem....

1961Nick

Grumpy_chap said:

Does anyone have any thoughts on this TM3?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304126204550

How will I know it is actually the LR version?
Is there any strategy to negotiate the price, or is the advertised price as good as it gets?
What is the best brand of charger?  Zappi?
What should I expect to pay for supply and install charger?
What information do I need to get an HPI report?  There is no "engine number"?
How do I assess battery state of health?

The red is a £2200 option so that's a nice freebie.

50,000 in 3 years suggests it's been reliable.

The Tesla basic warranty is 50,000 miles so that has unfortunately expired. The drivetrain & battery warranty is 120,000 miles/8 years so that's still covered.

It's a pre heat pump car so that reduces the range in winter.

You could ask the dealer to fully charge it & send you a picture of the range?

Martyn1981

Grumpy_chap said:

Does anyone have any thoughts on this TM3?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304126204550

How will I know it is actually the LR version?
Is there any strategy to negotiate the price, or is the advertised price as good as it gets?
What is the best brand of charger?  Zappi?
What should I expect to pay for supply and install charger?
What information do I need to get an HPI report?  There is no "engine number"?
How do I assess battery state of health?

Hiya GC, very pretty (and the car). I think you can check the VIN number, which should give you the specs. Also it will have a 'dual motor' badge on the back, but could have been added, I suppose?

Also check the logbook, as the LR will be a lot more powerful. On which point, I see it says 346PS, which sounds about right, but the logbook may have a higher figure, somewhere in the mid 300'sKW, which translates to around 450-500bhp, but that figure will be after unlocking the acceleration boost.

Perhaps simplest check is to look at the range it suggests and the %age (tapping it on the screen, will switch back and for), that should confirm the max range, and therefore the model. It may also give you some indication of the battery, but I'm not sure. [Doh!, as Nick suggests - I didn't see there was another page of posts.]

1961Nick

My original Rollec charger started to have issues after 15 months. The CS was pretty painful as they'd book a call from their technical department & expect you & an electrician to be on standby at the appointed time waiting for the call. Obviously if you were paying for the electrician this could get rather expensive! A friend also had the same charger & the same issue with failed charges.

In the end I decided to bite the bullet & buy a Zappi which has been brilliant. It never misses a charge, gobbles any surplus solar, provides real time remote monitoring of solar, domestic battery, grid & car charging... all very accurate as well.

Grumpy_chap

1961Nick said:

You could ask the dealer to fully charge it & send you a picture of the range?

Martyn1981 said:

Perhaps simplest check is to look at the range it suggests and the %age 

I just spoke to the Dealer and it apparently shows 70% charge and 204 miles range.  Does that sound about right?

HPI (free access only) says it is "Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD Colour: Red Year: 2020".  Will do a full check before buying.

Are there any other pointers I need to look at?  Making an appointment to see it on Saturday.

The Dealer said it has a "full service history" but that is not actually annual services but a record in the car of what has actually been done by way of service.  Is that correct for a TM3?

1961Nick

Grumpy_chap said:

1961Nick said:

You could ask the dealer to fully charge it & send you a picture of the range?

Martyn1981 said:

Perhaps simplest check is to look at the range it suggests and the %age 

I just spoke to the Dealer and it apparently shows 70% charge and 204 miles range.  Does that sound about right?

HPI (free access only) says it is "Tesla Model 3 Long Range AWD Colour: Red Year: 2020".  Will do a full check before buying.

Are there any other pointers I need to look at?  Making an appointment to see it on Saturday.

The Dealer said it has a "full service history" but that is not actually annual services but a record in the car of what has actually been done by way of service.  Is that correct for a TM3?

Mine is currently at 69% & 200 miles... so virtually identical to this one. I've just sent a mate with a LR a message asking what the range was when it was new.

There isn't any routine servicing for a Model 3. There's a recommended brake fluid change at 3 years & coolant change at 4 years (although that might be the heat pump version only). Kwik Fit can do the brake fluid change saving a few hundred on the Tesla price.

Ask the dealer if it has 18" or 19" wheels because that affects the range. The ride on 18's is better, the range is longer & the tyres are cheaper. The 19" do look better though!

1961Nick

The mate has just confirmed that his LR displayed a range of 324 miles when it was new. His car has the heat pump so that's about 12 miles better than a 2020 car.

This car appears to have lost around 20 miles over 53,000 which amounts to 6.5%. That actually pretty good.

If you're going to see it on Saturday, ask them to charge it to 100% before you get there & to leave it plugged in so you can check the range. Select 'trips' on the display before the test drive & you'll be able to monitor the Wh/mile while you're driving. 

JKenH

I have often said SalSac schemes were a major driver of new EV purchases creating artificially high demand that is not carried through into the used EV market. 

Employees rate electric vehicle salary sacrifice most valuable benefit

Furthermore, more than half (55%) of employees said that they would not have opted for an electric car had it not been provided through a salary sacrifice car scheme, while factors that informed their decision to switch to an electric vehicle (EV) included the provision of workplace charging and the high costs of fossil fuel.

However, when asked what was the single most important factor that prompted them to switch to an EV, more than three-quarters (78%) of respondents said that it was the cost savings that could be enjoyed by making the switch.

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/latest-fleet-news/electric-fleet-news/2023/04/13/employees-rate-electric-vehicle-salary-sacrifice-most-valuable-benefit

Grumpy_chap

1961Nick said:

ask them to charge it to 100% before you get there & to leave it plugged in so you can check the range. Select 'trips' on the display before the test drive & you'll be able to monitor the Wh/mile while you're driving. 

Many thanks Nick - really helpful information.
I will call to book the appointment to view. 
Will check the tyres size, but it will be what it will be I guess.

What should I be looking for on the Wh/mile at the test drive?  Is it about 4 kWh/mile?  That would be 4,000 Wh/mile.  Is that correct?  How much variance is reasonable?