Private driveway

B789

Lindsey006 said:

The landowner accepts this now although he didn’t originally and that is how I fought against cameras being installed, with the help of mse forum, because providing the list of cars etc went against that.

But you now know that they are going to install ANPR. It may not be there yet but it is only going to be a matter of time before they appear.

Lindsey006 said:

Having the patrol I guess doesn’t impact that right of way in that I can drive in and out without restriction. None of the houses are worried about parking in the car park as we have our own driveways.

The bigger problem is going to be the visitors, tradesmen, delivery vans etc. You won't know immediately if they get ticketed and you may not find out until your address has been blacklisted because of the actions of the PPC.

The landowner and UKPC must be put on notice, in no uncertain terms, of what action you will take if any of your rights, including those of your visitors etc. are fettered.

Half_way

Just something to ponder upon......
I have been on walks with a local footpath group, and they have removed blockages to footpaths and bridle paths  ( sometimes with the aid of bolt cutters)

If a camera restricts the ability to pass and repass without let or hindrance can it be removed as you would a section of fence or other blockage on a public right of way?

B789

Half_way said:

Just something to ponder upon......
I have been on walks with a local footpath group, and they have removed blockages to footpaths and bridle paths  ( sometimes with the aid of bolt cutters)

If a camera restricts the ability to pass and repass without let or hindrance can it be removed as you would a section of fence or other blockage on a public right of way?

[tongue in cheek]

Something to have in your armoury against anything on a metal pole. 

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[/tongue in cheek]

MothballsWallet

Lindsey006 said:

The landowner tried this already (this was his first approach in asking for our registrations and family members) and the houses involved all agreed that this was an unacceptable burden on us, so no way will any of us provide this. I wouldn’t know the registration numbers of visiting tradesmen etc plus as you say for example, my daughter had to hire a car unexpectedly etc it would be impossible to keep up 100% correct, and I would effectively be running a database of visiting vehicles. Plus this is surely an infringement of my rights - why should I tell UKPC who is visiting me, I have no contract with them. I think the landowner accepts this but he would still like ANPR. Fortunately the 3 houses are 100% together on this and will not give in. 

You may also have to register as a Data Controller with the ICO - and that would attract an annual fee and more work for you.

Lindsey006

There is a public footpath also running across the car park at the side (most complicated 20 space car park ever!). No evidence of any PCNs yet but I guess UKPC may wait a few days before visiting.
I guess the obstruction does not have to be physical, as in the cameras don’t stop me physically driving across but they are would still be an obstruction. All of this has strained the relationship between the landowner and the house owners, although it has united the house owners. 

Never used an angle grinder, hopefully that won’t happen!
I don’t understand how UKPC regularly seem to put up signs without advertising consent and yet authorities don’t seem to bother about it.
I will see how busy the car park is at the weekend and will try to chat to the cafe owners and get their views.

Fruitcake

If anyone inexperienced in the use of power tools is thinking of using an angle grinder, note that they are referred to in industry as ankle grinders for good reason!

Grizebeck

Lindsey006 said:

There is a public footpath also running across the car park at the side (most complicated 20 space car park ever!). No evidence of any PCNs yet but I guess UKPC may wait a few days before visiting.
I guess the obstruction does not have to be physical, as in the cameras don’t stop me physically driving across but they are would still be an obstruction. All of this has strained the relationship between the landowner and the house owners, although it has united the house owners. 

Never used an angle grinder, hopefully that won’t happen!
I don’t understand how UKPC regularly seem to put up signs without advertising consent and yet authorities don’t seem to bother about it.
I will see how busy the car park is at the weekend and will try to chat to the cafe owners and get their views.

Have you actually seen cameras or just poles with signs? As i think you may be confusing the 2 

fisherjim

UKPC will probably not start their patrols immediately the BPA COP states they shouldn't however I believe the real reason will be lulling the locals into thinking they are cuddly parking attendants that give some leeway before the onslaught to recoup some of their investment.

Their attendants will be in and out in a  trice, or hiding in a corner, behind a bush or in a coffee shop so as not to be noticed.

As for the possible installation of cameras well don't forget there would need to be some groundworks for cabling etc after the pole are put up.

If anything is going to happen there will be some notable activity for sure.

Le_Kirk

Lindsey006 said:

I don’t understand how UKPC regularly seem to put up signs without advertising consent and yet authorities don’t seem to bother about it.

Have you involved your local councillors in this to try to them to ask the council about their dereliction of duty and why they are not protecting the rights of people who pay council tax and ultimately their wages!

Half_way

I would be more tempted to dismantle the camera as oppose to using cutting tools, or even better placing a bin bag over them.
 But it shouldn't get to that stage,. In theory.

As for a strange person lurking in the bushes, is that something you would want  taking place near your house? 
Would it make you feel safe knowing that a person with no background check (CRB/DBS or SIA ) was lurking at all hours?