Private parking ticket issued on land not owned by the property!

Snakes_Belly

They have failed to assess their own evidence to ensure that the claim could succeed. It appears to be a vexatious claim.

They have been unreasonable in issuing a PCN to the car when it was not in the car park but parked on a public adopted road.

Sent threatening letters asking for money to which they were not entitled. 

WesAslan

It's incredible no one with authority wants to intervene, everyone seems to be minding their own business and coasting through their job. The coucil seem very lost and keep saying its a civil matter. I have complained to the council and will take it to the ombudsman from there. Will take DVLA to the ombudsman too.

There seems to be huge leniency towards how private parking firms do business, at least this has been my first observation.

Complained to the DVLA and ICO today due to a data protection breach. Done two separate claims for the DVLA and PPC to the ICO lets see how that goes. 

Looking forward for a reply from the PPC for my appeal and my complaint for them obtaining my information without my consent. From there on we shall move on to the IPC. 

Thanking everyone again for their help and advice!

Johnersh

Incidentally, given how easily this is apparently checked, if you have sent the ppc your evidence and they keep ticketing and the pursuit of still greater "debts" one can envisage that it could, in time, amount to harassment. 

WesAslan

Johnersh said:

Incidentally, given how easily this is apparently checked, if you have sent the ppc your evidence and they keep ticketing and the pursuit of still greater "debts" one can envisage that it could, in time, amount to harassment. 

Exactly, it is easy for them to validate, but instead they're using dirty tactics by using aggressive/pseudo-legal language to run a fraudulent operation, thus putting people out of their hard earned money, especially during times like this the impact on the public is magnified!

To be honest they don't even have to do any work, I and the thread participants in this forum kindly have done all the work for them! They just don't want to accept any liability and wrongdoing because it hits their pockets, in fact, imagine how many innocent people over the years paid unlawful tickets on that road, I know a few myself! 

They're just ignoring the evidence to grind people down and snatch their money, they know it isn't feasible to seek legal advice and go through all the bureaucracy for a £60-100 ticket!  

But the most sad part is the lack of effort from the council and people with authority such as the DVLA aiding and abetting them in their illegal mission!

Absolutely this is harassment, imagine living on the edge thinking if your daily salary is going to to another ticket, or thinking every knock on the door is debt collection!

MalMonroe

WesAslan said:

It's incredible no one with authority wants to intervene, everyone seems to be minding their own business and coasting through their job. The coucil seem very lost and keep saying its a civil matter. I have complained to the council and will take it to the ombudsman from there. Will take DVLA to the ombudsman too.

There seems to be huge leniency towards how private parking firms do business, at least this has been my first observation.

Complained to the DVLA and ICO today due to a data protection breach. Done two separate claims for the DVLA and PPC to the ICO lets see how that goes. 

Looking forward for a reply from the PPC for my appeal and my complaint for them obtaining my information without my consent. From there on we shall move on to the IPC. 

Thanking everyone again for their help and advice!

Hi, I'd be interested how your complaints are received.

I complained to DVLA and ICO 4 years ago because I didn't (and don't) agree that private parking companies should be allowed access to motorists' details. Every year I get a nice letter from ICO saying that they are working on changing the way information is processed and assuring me that they totally agree with my original complaint and I am one amongst thousands of motorists who have complained and want the rules changing.

DVLA replied 4 years ago saying that they were allowed to divulge the information. Of course they are because they are paid every time they give out the requested information about a motorist. In 2018 it was £2.50 per registration plate. It's probably more now.

In the past I've had three of these private charge notices and have successfully contested each one. After the last one I'd had enough - because it's such a waste of time and effort - so I made my complaints.

I'm expecting my annual ICO letter any time now. At least they haven't forgotten me. One day they might even get something done.

WesAslan

MalMonroe said:

WesAslan said:

It's incredible no one with authority wants to intervene, everyone seems to be minding their own business and coasting through their job. The coucil seem very lost and keep saying its a civil matter. I have complained to the council and will take it to the ombudsman from there. Will take DVLA to the ombudsman too.

There seems to be huge leniency towards how private parking firms do business, at least this has been my first observation.

Complained to the DVLA and ICO today due to a data protection breach. Done two separate claims for the DVLA and PPC to the ICO lets see how that goes. 

Looking forward for a reply from the PPC for my appeal and my complaint for them obtaining my information without my consent. From there on we shall move on to the IPC. 

Thanking everyone again for their help and advice!

Hi, I'd be interested how your complaints are received.

I complained to DVLA and ICO 4 years ago because I didn't (and don't) agree that private parking companies should be allowed access to motorists' details. Every year I get a nice letter from ICO saying that they are working on changing the way information is processed and assuring me that they totally agree with my original complaint and I am one amongst thousands of motorists who have complained and want the rules changing.

DVLA replied 4 years ago saying that they were allowed to divulge the information. Of course they are because they are paid every time they give out the requested information about a motorist. In 2018 it was £2.50 per registration plate. It's probably more now.

In the past I've had three of these private charge notices and have successfully contested each one. After the last one I'd had enough - because it's such a waste of time and effort - so I made my complaints.

I'm expecting my annual ICO letter any time now. At least they haven't forgotten me. One day they might even get something done.

Hey, thanks for your post! 

I'm also against PPCs obtaining vehicle details without any reasonable cause to make an illicit buck! For the DVLA, it's kind of difficult for them to validate the merits of each and every case as they come, however, there needs to be rules and consequences for when these events occur... like even though I brought it to their attention they couldn't give a crap, well the parking company aren't going to care now and they probably welcome such actions from the DVLA which gives them huge leeway to play whatever ball game they like!

I still cannot believe it though I'm sure they need to act, but like I mentioned everyone on the phone or in front of a screen seems to be coasting through their jobs and do not want to get involved in any bureaucracy.

Like how can you say you can't validate the merits of a case even though there's substantial and concise evidence suggesting the PPC has breached the KADOE contract and the Data Protection Act... ridiculous, so this makes me believe they actually don't care and have been told by a higher power to not get involved - maybe some lobbying from PPCs, like it never occurs ! 

Exactly a lot of effort to deal with these private PCNs, they literally need to compensate people who have a successful appeal because of the huge amounts of time they have wasted and the stress they caused due to harassment!

Hopefully I too receive a nice letter from the ICO addressing my concerns. Does the ICO have any authority to discuss the details of specific cases, maybe these can be used for the appeal against the PPC or in court. 

Ps. I will post them here as soon as I get them!  

Half_way

A simple solution would be for the DVLA to turn off its automated electronic link that gives PPCs access to RK data, instead replacing it with a human based system where the PPC ( or anyone else) amongst other things  has to give evidence, including details of the landowner where the parking event took place, evidence form the landowner confirming this vehicle shouldn't be there , and proof that the landowner is the landowner, chances of this happening without a court runling that the DVLA is breaching data protection/GDPR is slim

Another option is to go for whatever entity hired the PPC, or allows it to operate on their land, or instructs it to operate in a specific location

Fruitcake

Half_way said:

A simple solution would be for the DVLA to turn off its automated electronic link that gives PPCs access to RK data, instead replacing it with a human based system where the PPC ( or anyone else) amongst other things  has to give evidence, including details of the landowner where the parking event took place, evidence form the landowner confirming this vehicle shouldn't be there , and proof that the landowner is the landowner, chances of this happening without a court runling that the DVLA is breaching data protection/GDPR is slim

Another option is to go for whatever entity hired the PPC, or allows it to operate on their land, or instructs it to operate in a specific location

... and increase the cost of the request to cover the extra work involved. They could do that anyway to increase revenue. 

Humdinger1

There is I think a class action being taken against the DVLA on these exact grounds.  I don't think the current proposal to privatise DVLA  would affect it even if it happened.   Worth a search on this board for the thread which also gives the name of the lawyers bringing it.  

WesAslan

Humdinger1 said:

There is I think a class action being taken against the DVLA on these exact grounds.  I don't think the current proposal to privatise DVLA  would affect it even if it happened.   Worth a search on this board for the thread which also gives the name of the lawyers bringing it.  

Tried to look for it but couldn't fine the class action you mentioned, rookie on this forum. It would be nice if I give the lawyers my specific case, maybe it might be beneficial for them.