Road Tax on EV's

Petriix

MouldyOldDough said:

Petriix said:

MouldyOldDough said:

ElefantEd said:

Was your IC vehicle new? Again, compare like with like.

I definitely couldn't afford (nor would want) a new car of any stripe, but bought a second hand EV for about £15k, with zero road tax, cheap insurance, cheap maintenance (less than an ICE, there's simply less to go wrong) and a per mile cost of about 2p. See where I am going with this?

Where do you get 2p per mile from ?

Try 5p per mile - and this can only increase (double ? with increasing energy costs) to make it similar  to my 50mpg running costs of 10p per mile

Road tax - neglible gains (mine is only £30 pa)

And as I keep saying - mine is already owned - saving £15k or whatever

its win win for me

My actual average cost per mile is just 1.1p. My 5p per kWh rate is fixed until January 2023. The total maintenance cost for 15 months has been £33 - there's no MOT until December 2023, no oil to change, no clutch, exhaust pipe, injector seals, timing belt (all things I had to replace on my old diesel car costing several £thousand in total). Brakes will last 100k miles as I only use them just enough to keep them clean.

And your £15k saving assumes that both your existing ICEV and your hypothetical new EV have no residual value. I could sell my EV tomorrow, pay off the remaining mortgage balance and walk away with more money than I would have had I carried on running my old banger.

And I get to run the rest of my house at 5p per kWh too. That's already saving me ~ £250 per year. When my Givenergy battery finally shows up that saving will more than double.

Your 'saving' is all in your mind. Actual real world numbers are very different. 

So now - its virtually free to run an ev ?

Sorry - but everywhere I look on the web - tells me 5p + per mile

Please elaborate further

Are you including the replacement costs of the battery after approx 10 years ?

Unless you're using telepathy to read my posts I believe this is somewhere you look on the web which is telling you 1.1p per mile. That's actually fact based on real usage. I'll accept that I'm a fairly low end example, but I'm aware of several people who've never paid a penny for charging - because they charge for free either at work or using free public chargers.

I've never encountered anyone who's paid for their EV battery to be replaced. I've read about some batteries being replaced under warranty due to a safety recall and some people who've added extra capacity to lower range EVs. I've also seen videos of batteries having modules swapped for ~ £400. My battery has a 7 year warranty.

You're either making up or regurgitating misleading nonsense. 

Freecall

I always find it amazing how people recycle standard anti-EV arguments about range, battery life,environmental impact etc.

Surely the one thing that trumps any of this is the indisputable fact that EV's are simply better cars.

I actually read somewhere recently that because EV's tend to be heavier, they wear out tyres more quickly.

Really!  It might potentially be a technically accurate point (at the margin) but it is rather scrapping the barrel for the anti-EV club.

Forget the detail, look at the big picture.

EV's are much, much better cars for all of the reasons that those who drive them know about.

MouldyOldDough

More than seven in 10 UK councils have not published electric vehicle (EV) transition plans despite being encouraged to do so by the Government, an investigation has found.

Responses to freedom of information requests by the FairCharge campaign shared with the PA news agency found 28% of local authorities have released a strategy for supporting the switch to electric motoring

Doesn't make me want to risk getting an EV

Herzlos

Freecall said:

I always find it amazing how people recycle standard anti-EV arguments about range, battery life,environmental impact etc.

It seems a pretty standard approach from the willfully ignorant on any subject, unfortunately.

Herzlos

MouldyOldDough said:

More than seven in 10 UK councils have not published electric vehicle (EV) transition plans despite being encouraged to do so by the Government, an investigation has found.

Responses to freedom of information requests by the FairCharge campaign shared with the PA news agency found 28% of local authorities have released a strategy for supporting the switch to electric motoring

Doesn't make me want to risk getting an EV

Where's the risk from getting an EV there? Are these plans about the councils moving their fleet to EV, or for making it easier for everyone else to get an EV?

MouldyOldDough

Herzlos said:

MouldyOldDough said:

More than seven in 10 UK councils have not published electric vehicle (EV) transition plans despite being encouraged to do so by the Government, an investigation has found.

Responses to freedom of information requests by the FairCharge campaign shared with the PA news agency found 28% of local authorities have released a strategy for supporting the switch to electric motoring

Doesn't make me want to risk getting an EV

Where's the risk from getting an EV there? Are these plans about the councils moving their fleet to EV, or for making it easier for everyone else to get an EV?

They claim to support the change to EV but are not really interested..... They wiill do nothings to improve infrastructure iuntil it is too late 

Herzlos

I guess that's the way of everything when it comes to councils. I can't see how that makes owning an EV any more risky; they aren't going to remove any infrastructure in enough volume to be a problem unless you buy it relying on a very specific and isolate council charging station that is likely to fall into disrepair and not get fixed.
But realistically, EV charging points are popping up everywhere.

MouldyOldDough

Herzlos said:

I guess that's the way of everything when it comes to councils. I can't see how that makes owning an EV any more risky; they aren't going to remove any infrastructure in enough volume to be a problem unless you buy it relying on a very specific and isolate council charging station that is likely to fall into disrepair and not get fixed.
But realistically, EV charging points are popping up everywhere.

Maybe in the cities but not where I live 

ComicGeek

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

I guess that's the way of everything when it comes to councils. I can't see how that makes owning an EV any more risky; they aren't going to remove any infrastructure in enough volume to be a problem unless you buy it relying on a very specific and isolate council charging station that is likely to fall into disrepair and not get fixed.
But realistically, EV charging points are popping up everywhere.

Maybe in the cities but not where I live 

Have you actually looked on Zap-Map or equivalent?? I live in rural Suffolk - there's 5 different 50kW+ chargers within 30 minutes drive, and at least 20 different 7kW chargers within 20 minutes.

Our nearest petrol station is 15 minutes away, and we would actually have to travel further to get petrol than to access a charger. Not that it's possible at the moment, as the local stations are closed after running out of petrol.

I've driven down to the Cotswolds today, lots more chargers around than I was expecting. Just used my 1st public charger - only took 20 mins while I was having a quick lunch, and I didn't have to go out of my way at all. I haven't driven past a petrol station around here yet though.

I don't think it's a good idea to get a EV without a home charger, but people seem to forget how far they actually have to travel to get petrol - that 'inconvenience' has just become part of accepted life.

Herzlos

MouldyOldDough said:

Herzlos said:

I guess that's the way of everything when it comes to councils. I can't see how that makes owning an EV any more risky; they aren't going to remove any infrastructure in enough volume to be a problem unless you buy it relying on a very specific and isolate council charging station that is likely to fall into disrepair and not get fixed.
But realistically, EV charging points are popping up everywhere.

Maybe in the cities but not where I live 

Have you looked? Because I'm nowhere near a city, I'm pretty much in a town in the middle of nowhere. We've got a supermarket, a library and a train station and that's about it. Yet we've still got 4 banks of EV chargers: One at the supermarket, one at the train station, one at a library and one at the bottom of the high street.