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Breaking News: Government has announced the statutory Code of Practice, and Enforcement Framework

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  • Umkomaas
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    And who will audit/ confirm they are fit for purpose and maintained? Will the BPA & IPC think this is something can do given their absent record on auditing PPCs to date?
    At one time POPLA were dismissing appeal points focusing on the accuracy of ANPR cameras by stating that they were audited by the BPA. The BPA disabused them of that notion (not us Guv), but POPLA continued with their stance. Eventually the penny dropped (or was shoved somewhere ... ), and they stopped stating that the BPA audited the cameras. 

    The appeal point never bore any fruit. Newbies are not encouraged to include it in their POPLA appeal, ......... but things might change once the new appeals body is in place!
    Please note, we are not a legal advice forum. I personally don't get involved in critiquing court case Defences/Witness Statements, so unable to help on that front. Please don't ask. .

    I provide only my personal opinion, it is not a legal opinion, it is simply a personal one. I am not a lawyer.

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  • Fruitcake said:

    Enforcement using Approved Devices 
    8.9

    "Penalty charge notices must not be served by post on the basis of evidence from an approved device other than when vehicles are parked on:

    a bus lane;
    a bus stop clearway or bus stand clearway;
    a Keep Clear zig-zag area outside a school; or
    a red route."


    So never for using a car park, and in particular never for entering or exiting a car park.

    Do you think every PPC who uses ANPR will need to apply to Secretary of State for approval assuming they get around to moving their cameras to watching parked vehicles?

  • patient_dream
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    edited 13 February 2022 at 12:47AM
    The thing is, ANPR are fixed cameras so they cannot move around .... CCTV can

    The clever words in the new CoP ARE ... "FIT FOR PURPOSE"

    Even the CEO of the BPA and the BPA themselves admits ANPR is not 100% which we know. You can watch him in this video and also where POPLA did not understand ANPR

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WIaKMkO3YVM&t=5s

    With the new code ANPR operators will have to prove the ANPR they use is really fit for purpose. 

  • With the new code ANPR operators will have to prove the ANPR they use is really fit for purpose. 
    That's part of my point, how will they prove it? Will Secretary of state need to approve it like with police ANPR, which sounds very costly and difficult, and then, they will need to install it to watch the car park rather than the entrance and exits which sounds even more expensive and difficult.  (how sad!)
  • NCC1701-A said:

    With the new code ANPR operators will have to prove the ANPR they use is really fit for purpose. 
    That's part of my point, how will they prove it? Will Secretary of state need to approve it like with police ANPR, which sounds very costly and difficult, and then, they will need to install it to watch the car park rather than the entrance and exits which sounds even more expensive and difficult.  (how sad!)
    I don't know how they will ptove it

    I imagine government looked very carefully at ANPR as it is not allowed in council car parks.
    Their solution was not to ban them but to resrict them to such a point that the ANPR will become redundant.

    As said, ANPR cannot "watch", it is static and aimed at numbers plates only.

    They would need either predatory CCTV or a warden.  

    The more you look into the new code, the better it gets




  • 95Rollers
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    edited 13 February 2022 at 10:12AM
    NCC1701-A said:

    With the new code ANPR operators will have to prove the ANPR they use is really fit for purpose. 
    That's part of my point, how will they prove it? Will Secretary of state need to approve it like with police ANPR, which sounds very costly and difficult, and then, they will need to install it to watch the car park rather than the entrance and exits which sounds even more expensive and difficult.  (how sad!)
    I've got an upcoming case where its my word versus 2 photographs of my vehicle entering and leaving the site 23 minutes apart.  They have refused to furnish me with the ANPR report in between which restricts my defence of leaving and returning due to not being able to find a space.  Because I would be covered by the contractual grace periods on both occasions. The parking company have told me to prove I was elsewhere!  I can 100% tell you their ANPR isn't approved by State Secretary because they don't even have planning permission from the local council or even mention it on their contract with the landowners!  Cases like mine are pretty common. 

    Again with spurious claims like these - which is a large bulk of them I feel they should at least provide evidence at the very least for what they accuse you of! But if they had to provide real evidence the vast majority of their claims would go down the toilets like their futures are heading.
  • patient_dream
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    edited 13 February 2022 at 10:35AM
    Just like debt collector charges are banned in the new code which can be very persuasive to a judge with all the current claims with add-ons,
    so .......
    "FIT FOR PURPOSE" 
    regarding ANPR can be persuasive to a judge

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