EVs - are we going to be forced into this before time?

Penelopa.Pitstop

MacPingu1986 said:

There's a slightly different mindset when it comes to refueling EVs sure, but you're massively overstating the importance of long unrefulled range when it comes to car choice. People who choose their car primarily on range are a *tiny* % of buyers. 

Charging infrastructure is growing rapidly all the time as EV's continue to grow as a % of cars sold.

Range usually depends on the car size and engine size. Bigger car, bigger tank. I always check tank size before considering car model and I'm quite annoyed that tanks are getting smaller in new models.

Current car has 52l tank. I had a choice of 3 engines and decided to go for the lowest power (still good), because I remembered how my friend complained about range in previous model which had 55l tank, so I didn't want to shorten the range by choosing more powerful car, I won't be able to use properly in UK anyway. I was positively surprised by good economy of chosen engine and 52l tank is acceptable. As I mentioned earlier, nothing beats 82l tank in diesel car, I had before. But new model has only 72l tank.

I'm happy to come back to this thread in a few years and report if there are any charging points added in our town. But how many will be needed to charge all these new EVs?

NBLondon

MacPingu1986 said:

There's a slightly different mindset when it comes to refueling EVs sure, but you're massively overstating the importance of long unrefulled range when it comes to car choice. People who choose their car primarily on range are a *tiny* % of buyers. 
Charging infrastructure is growing rapidly all the time as EV's continue to grow as a % of cars sold.

That's the thing though...  People don't think about range because (outside of remote bits of Scotland) they have plenty of opportunities to refuel - where they can go from almost zero to full capacity inside 5 minutes without worrying about whether they have the right adapter or are signed up with that supplier.   When the charging infrastructure gets closer to that for fossil fuels - the average driver won't have range anxiety.   Right now - it is an issue for many if they think they are going to be taxed out of ICE into electric.

fred990

https://www.media.volvocars.com/global/en-gb/media/pressreleases/289951/volvo-cars-calls-for-more-clean-energy-investment-to-realise-full-climate-potential-of-electric-cars

90 000 miles before the EV overtakes the ICE version on production CO2! 
>50 000 miles if 100% renewable energy charging. 

sevenhills

RichardD1970 said:

They'll be built at the same place. Car factories are constantly being rejigged every time there is a new model.

About 15% of new cars sold were pure electric, in August last year. Sales of all cars are low at the moment.

So electric car production will need to massively increase by 2030. There is a global semiconductor shortage, will that be an issue once COVID ceases to be?

In 2020/21 new car sales in total was over 20% down on previous years. Will we be able to produce over 2 million electric cars per year?

Ectophile

sevenhills said:

RichardD1970 said:

They'll be built at the same place. Car factories are constantly being rejigged every time there is a new model.

About 15% of new cars sold were pure electric, in August last year. Sales of all cars are low at the moment.

So electric car production will need to massively increase by 2030. There is a global semiconductor shortage, will that be an issue once COVID ceases to be?

In 2020/21 new car sales in total was over 20% down on previous years. Will we be able to produce over 2 million electric cars per year?

The Chinese are already producing 2.6 million electric cars a year in 2021.  If the European manufacturers don't get their act together pretty quick, the Chinese manufacturers are going to walk in and take over the market.

sevenhills

Ectophile said:

The Chinese are already producing 2.6 million electric cars a year in 2021.  If the European manufacturers don't get their act together pretty quick, the Chinese manufacturers are going to walk in and take over the market.

The Chinese industry has momentum. China will be making over eight million electric cars a year by 2028, estimates LMC Automotive, a global data firm, compared with one million last year. Perhaps there isn't a problem.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/04/business/china-electric-cars.html

RichardD1970

sevenhills said:

RichardD1970 said:

They'll be built at the same place. Car factories are constantly being rejigged every time there is a new model.

About 15% of new cars sold were pure electric, in August last year. Sales of all cars are low at the moment.

So electric car production will need to massively increase by 2030. There is a global semiconductor shortage, will that be an issue once COVID ceases to be?

In 2020/21 new car sales in total was over 20% down on previous years. Will we be able to produce over 2 million electric cars per year?

Why not?

They can be built at the same factories.

Production lines can produce multiple models.

For instance, when the new block at the JLR Castle Bromwich plant was fitted out for the D7a platform, it was designed to be capable of handling up to 5 different models. It would have been capable of taking Jag XE, XF, F-Pace and RR Velar. 

Newer platforms (such as the Land Rover MLA platform) will be designed to accommodate ICE, hybrid (of all flavours) and BEV. All of which will run through the same production facilities.