Pcn's sent out by Dcb Legal

Tapluk3

I am going to follow the guidelines on here regarding saying NO to mediation, but can i just ask why this is so widely advised, is it some form of admitting guilt or is it the legal companies won't back down?

Umkomaas

Tapluk3 said:

I am going to follow the guidelines on here regarding saying NO to mediation, but can i just ask why this is so widely advised, is it some form of admitting guilt or is it the legal companies won't back down?

How much do you think you owe them?

Le_Kirk

Mediator: Good morning @Tapluk3 how much are you prepared to pay?
@Tapluk3: £ZERO
Mediator: Good morning claimant, are you prepared to accept £ZERO?
Claimant: NO
End of mediation!

Tapluk3

Okay i have seen the answer to my question and understand why, and i am going to ignore them offering mediation, many thanks

Tapluk3

Hi Umkomaas, thanks for replying, they are asking for £571.72 for 2 Pcn's they say were issued in Aug. 2016 and Sept. 2016

Umkomaas

Tapluk3 said:

Hi Umkomaas, thanks for replying, they are asking for £571.72 for 2 Pcn's they say were issued in Aug. 2016 and Sept. 2016

I was asking in the context of mediation - if you think you owe them something, how much would that be, then you have a starting point for mediation. It's rather a rhetorical question, because if you think you owe them nothing, then what's the point in subjecting yourself to mediation. Even if there was to be a bit of 'give' from the PPC, I don't think you'd get much change from £500. 

Even if you lost in court, the judgment would be likely far less than the greedy-eyed amount the PPC are hoping to suck from you. 

Tapluk3

Ah thankyou for that, i appreciate it and understand where you are coming from, my husband is dealing with it as i cannot do due to hypertension and stress levels, we are in our 70's and really do not need this stress, to try and sum in a nutshell, i have 100% proof i was not the driver with bank statements and holiday site bookings, we were touring Norfolk for 10 weeks on the dates they have stated, 2 sets of keys were left at our flat, neighbours were feeding our cat and letting her out and checking flat for us whilst we were away, son and daughter visited flat with friends at different times, i asked if they drove car whilst we were away, they said no, but stated was 5 n half years ago, maybe neighbours used car, i really cannot say, so i genuinely cannot say who drove car as no one had told us they drove the car. I did nothing wrong by leaving keys at flat as most normal people would have done, i hope that a judge on the day sees it that way with bank statements and holiday invoices

Redx

We hope so too

Just download the N180 form and fill it in using the guidance by Bargepole etc , no to mediation

If you have to sign it , sign a white piece of paper using black ink , take a picture of it and add it to the pdf as a digital signature

eMail it to the ccbcaq email address and add a second email address , so CC the lawyers using their email address , so one email , 2 destinations ( there are 2 parties , the CCBC and the lawyers , dcb legal , that's it )

No need to post any paperwork , email is normally ok , check for an auto generated email receipt from the CCBC after submission

Your husband can act on your behalf as a lay representative on the day , plus can do all the admin for you as well , you just be as honest as you have been on here and both of you need to understand why you have no liability under the law called POFA 2012

If you were to lose in court for 2 PCNs , the judgment is likely to be maybe £300 ish , not stupid figures like the claimant asked for

Tapluk3

Ah thankyou Redx really appreciated your advice, stay safe and take care

Coupon-mad

You do both need to understand why the POFA 2012 has not been complied with and expect to have to explain Schedule 4  to a Judge.

Never assume a Judge will know and spot fairly niche omissions in law but he/she will listen to you/your lay rep.  You need chapter and verse as to why 'keeper' liability does not apply or a Judge may assume it does.