70% increase in cost - Utility Point to EDF - YES!! SEVENTY PERCENT!!

Sea_Shell

The_Fat_Controller said:

molerat said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

molerat said:

wild666 said:

Deleted_User said:

Cardew said:

Deleted_User said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

We should all be thankful for the price cap and that we don't have smart metering that actually charges the real cost of energy on a daily basis.

The price cap only saves a minorities bacon - it is a maximum that anyone can be forced to pay monthly (£1227 pa) NOT a maximum per KWh used

So for someone who used to spend say £600 on duel fuel - their charges could literally double overnight

I think you need to look at your statement again. There are several threads explaining the price cap.

So you are saying that there is a cap on KWh price? 

As said it's a cap on the prices per kWh and daily charge. There are ways to decrease energy usage and it's mainly by turning the majority of appliances off at the wall socket when not in use. You can use hundreds, if not a thousand kWh plus by leaving stuff on standby and that includes items that you normally leave on standby in the kitchen, cooker, kettle, microwave and washer. Other items are DVD players, TV's, games consoles, PC's, stereo's, surround sound systems, charging leads. 

There is no set kWh price cap.  There is only a daily charge cap and a total charge cap at the set kWh usage. The maximum that can be charged per kWh will be defined by what the supplier charges, within the cap limit, per day.

There is, according to OFGEM !

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you

So where in any OFGEM documentation is that capped unit charge actually stated ?

@molerat

You may have to dig deeper than a general information page to find the actual values for each supplier, but it clearly sates that both SC and kWh charges are capped.

That last sentence in the blurb you quoted...me thinks the current scenario was not quite what they had in mind!! 😲🤣

Aylesbury_Duck

DiseasedBunny said:

There should be a first time buyers/first time renters pack with that sort of information in it

There is the power of the web, you know.  If someone's adult enough to be buying or renting, they should be responsible enough to do some homework so they understand what living independently involves.

chris1973

Deleted_User said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

We should all be thankful for the price cap and that we don't have smart metering that actually charges the real cost of energy on a daily basis.

The government had better do something about the situation and quickly

They are, but perhaps not in the direction that you wanted!. Isn't Boris about to add an average of another £150 onto the Gas bills of EVERY household using Gas after COP26 in the form of Green taxes? - Google it, as i'm sure that it was announced in all of the mainstream media in October. So that is another £150 about to be added to your overall energy bills.

Then there is no doubt a whole load of exciting new ways to send us all spinning back into the Dark Ages about to come out of COP26 itself.

Your notion, that the Government actually give a single flying toss about either of us, or the other 68 million complete strangers who mean nothing to them and will always make decisions which are in our best interests, is very quaint, but extremely outdated - as history has proven time and time again.

[Deleted User]

wild666 said:

Deleted_User said:

Cardew said:

Deleted_User said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

We should all be thankful for the price cap and that we don't have smart metering that actually charges the real cost of energy on a daily basis.

The price cap only saves a minorities bacon - it is a maximum that anyone can be forced to pay monthly (£1227 pa) NOT a maximum per KWh used

So for someone who used to spend say £600 on duel fuel - their charges could literally double overnight

I think you need to look at your statement again. There are several threads explaining the price cap.

So you are saying that there is a cap on KWh price? 

As said it's a cap on the prices per kWh and daily charge. There are ways to decrease energy usage and it's mainly by turning the majority of appliances off at the wall socket when not in use. You can use hundreds, if not a thousand kWh plus by leaving stuff on standby and that includes items that you normally leave on standby in the kitchen, cooker, kettle, microwave and washer. Other items are DVD players, TV's, games consoles, PC's, stereo's, surround sound systems, charging leads. 

My flat screen TV uses 0.05watts on standby (a single LED) - I don't know were you get your 1000's KWh https://www.verdeenergy.com/how-many-watts-does-a-tv-use-when-off/ 

DiseasedBunny

Aylesbury_Duck said:

DiseasedBunny said:

There should be a first time buyers/first time renters pack with that sort of information in it

There is the power of the web, you know.  If someone's adult enough to be buying or renting, they should be responsible enough to do some homework so they understand what living independently involves.

They SHOULD, yes, but they obviously aren’t as evidenced on this site alone . Easier to blame everyone else than take responsibility for anything these days 

Ultrasonic

The_Fat_Controller said:

molerat said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

molerat said:

wild666 said:

Deleted_User said:

Cardew said:

Deleted_User said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

We should all be thankful for the price cap and that we don't have smart metering that actually charges the real cost of energy on a daily basis.

The price cap only saves a minorities bacon - it is a maximum that anyone can be forced to pay monthly (£1227 pa) NOT a maximum per KWh used

So for someone who used to spend say £600 on duel fuel - their charges could literally double overnight

I think you need to look at your statement again. There are several threads explaining the price cap.

So you are saying that there is a cap on KWh price? 

As said it's a cap on the prices per kWh and daily charge. There are ways to decrease energy usage and it's mainly by turning the majority of appliances off at the wall socket when not in use. You can use hundreds, if not a thousand kWh plus by leaving stuff on standby and that includes items that you normally leave on standby in the kitchen, cooker, kettle, microwave and washer. Other items are DVD players, TV's, games consoles, PC's, stereo's, surround sound systems, charging leads. 

There is no set kWh price cap.  There is only a daily charge cap and a total charge cap at the set kWh usage. The maximum that can be charged per kWh will be defined by what the supplier charges, within the cap limit, per day.

There is, according to OFGEM !

https://www.ofgem.gov.uk/information-consumers/energy-advice-households/check-if-energy-price-cap-affects-you

So where in any OFGEM documentation is that capped unit charge actually stated ?

@molerat

You may have to dig deeper than a general information page to find the actual values for each supplier, but it clearly sates that both SC and kWh charges are capped.

What you quoted fits with what @molerat correct stated, and does not prove your own point.

wild666

Deleted_User said:

wild666 said:

Deleted_User said:

Cardew said:

Deleted_User said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

We should all be thankful for the price cap and that we don't have smart metering that actually charges the real cost of energy on a daily basis.

The price cap only saves a minorities bacon - it is a maximum that anyone can be forced to pay monthly (£1227 pa) NOT a maximum per KWh used

So for someone who used to spend say £600 on duel fuel - their charges could literally double overnight

I think you need to look at your statement again. There are several threads explaining the price cap.

So you are saying that there is a cap on KWh price? 

As said it's a cap on the prices per kWh and daily charge. There are ways to decrease energy usage and it's mainly by turning the majority of appliances off at the wall socket when not in use. You can use hundreds, if not a thousand kWh plus by leaving stuff on standby and that includes items that you normally leave on standby in the kitchen, cooker, kettle, microwave and washer. Other items are DVD players, TV's, games consoles, PC's, stereo's, surround sound systems, charging leads. 

My flat screen TV uses 0.05watts on standby (a single LED) - I don't know were you get your 1000's KWh https://www.verdeenergy.com/how-many-watts-does-a-tv-use-when-off/ 

The thousand kWh is by leaving loads of appliances on standby 24/7 not just one appliance like a TV. A TV can use more than 0.5 kWh per hour even in standby, especially a Smart TV, I have a plug that states how much electric is used when an appliance is plugged into it, I use it for my surge protector that has the desktop PC plugged into it as well as the monitor, 2.1 sound speakers, external HDD and the stereo system, that lot is using 0.2 kWh per hour or 1.5 kWh per day, the lot is turned off at the wall socket when I go out or go to bed. The cooker and microwave use around 0.6 kWh per day and the rest of the usage is taken up by the fridge, freezer and router, around 0.9 kWh per day. 

A family with three or four TV's, fridge, freezer, microwave, kettle, washer, shower, Smart speakers, charging cables plus other devices left on standby all drawing power can all add up to hundreds if not a thousand kWh per year. The overall saving depends on the number of members in the house plus turning off of devices not in use. 

I did a monthly calculation just on my Smart TV when I first got the TV in 2019 and without and use just in standby the TV used 7.6 kWh  over 20 times the 0.5 kWh per hour you claim but at the same time it was connected to the internet, as I suspect many people have it connected to the internet to access on-demand services. 

WillPS

Which smart TV is using ½ kWh in stand by, please?

Cardew

wild666 said:

Deleted_User said:

wild666 said:

Deleted_User said:

Cardew said:

Deleted_User said:

The_Fat_Controller said:

We should all be thankful for the price cap and that we don't have smart metering that actually charges the real cost of energy on a daily basis.

The price cap only saves a minorities bacon - it is a maximum that anyone can be forced to pay monthly (£1227 pa) NOT a maximum per KWh used

So for someone who used to spend say £600 on duel fuel - their charges could literally double overnight

I think you need to look at your statement again. There are several threads explaining the price cap.

So you are saying that there is a cap on KWh price? 

As said it's a cap on the prices per kWh and daily charge. There are ways to decrease energy usage and it's mainly by turning the majority of appliances off at the wall socket when not in use. You can use hundreds, if not a thousand kWh plus by leaving stuff on standby and that includes items that you normally leave on standby in the kitchen, cooker, kettle, microwave and washer. Other items are DVD players, TV's, games consoles, PC's, stereo's, surround sound systems, charging leads. 

My flat screen TV uses 0.05watts on standby (a single LED) - I don't know were you get your 1000's KWh https://www.verdeenergy.com/how-many-watts-does-a-tv-use-when-off/ 

The thousand kWh is by leaving loads of appliances on standby 24/7 not just one appliance like a TV. A TV can use more than 0.5 kWh per hour even in standby, especially a Smart TV, I have a plug that states how much electric is used when an appliance is plugged into it, I use it for my surge protector that has the desktop PC plugged into it as well as the monitor, 2.1 sound speakers, external HDD and the stereo system, that lot is using 0.2 kWh per hour or 1.5 kWh per day, the lot is turned off at the wall socket when I go out or go to bed. The cooker and microwave use around 0.6 kWh per day and the rest of the usage is taken up by the fridge, freezer and router, around 0.9 kWh per day. 

A family with three or four TV's, fridge, freezer, microwave, kettle, washer, shower, Smart speakers, charging cables plus other devices left on standby all drawing power can all add up to hundreds if not a thousand kWh per year. The overall saving depends on the number of members in the house plus turning off of devices not in use. 

I did a monthly calculation just on my Smart TV when I first got the TV in 2019 and without and use just in standby the TV used 7.6 kWh  over 20 times the 0.5 kWh per hour you claim but at the same time it was connected to the internet, as I suspect many people have it connected to the internet to access on-demand services. 

Your use of the term 'kWh per hour' is meaningless.

Deleted_User stated 0.05 watts,not 0.5kWh per hour(the meaningless term).  If Deleted_User's 0.05 watts is accurate, although how he measures that is not clear he would use 0.438kWh a year(say 7pence)

My 3 smart TVs state <1 watt. So even if it was 1 watt they each would use less than 9kWh a year. and in practice it is much less..

I believe you are completely overstating the case for standby consumption for most people.

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victor2

From EU regulations (https://ec.europa.eu)

A wide range of equipment – computers, TVs, audio and video equipment, microwave ovens, and electric toys – can have standby and off modes.

• Since 2009 these devices are required to switch into a low power mode (such as standby) after a reasonable amount of time
• Since 2013, they must not consume more than 0.5 Watts in standby or in off mode

At just over 4kWh if my smart TV (which does conform to those regulations) is on standby for a year, I figure it's worth the expense, even at today's high electricity prices, to have the TV on standby ready to switch on with the remote at my convenience. It is connected by cable to the internet, but that connection is off when in standby.