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How do ordinary people make the switch to electric vehicles ?

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  • motorguy
    motorguy Posts: 22,611 Forumite
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    When you can buy a ev for £200 I'm in. Have no idea about some of the language in this thread
    Realistically, with another 8+ years before they stop ICE car production, and another 15+ years after that before most are reaching End of Life, its not something you're going to have to concern yourself with for 25 years or so, if you dont want to (fuel prices permitting)
  • dipsomaniac
    dipsomaniac Posts: 6,739 Forumite
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    edited 12 November 2021 at 6:52PM
    Cheers motorguy.  I am going to be doing my 2k per year in my  £200 petrol car for as long as the Gestapo will let me😀 whose got the bigger footprint?? Me or your Tesla driver doing 10k per year??? And changing car every 5 years???

    "The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
  • motorguy
    motorguy Posts: 22,611 Forumite
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    Cheers motorguy.  I am going to be doing my 2k per year in my  £200 petrol car for as long as the Gestapo will let me😀 whose got the bigger footprint?? Me or your Tesla driver doing 10k per year??? And changing car every 5 years???

    Yup.  

    Agreed.

    :)

    Fuel prices could go either way - higher due to taxation or lower because demand drops heavily and it becomes cheaper - but either way at that miles per year its unlikely to be impacting.
  • Jenni_D
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    Jenni_D said:
    BOWFER said:

    Oh god, this old nonsense spouted by people in pubs when electric cars are mentioned.
    Firstly, less than 10% of cobalt mined is used in electric cars.
    Secondly, the child labour 'thing' was restricted to the democratic republic of congo and car manufacturers stopped sourcing from there years ago, they source from other ethical sources.
    BMW and Tesla, for example, openly state they buy from Morocco and Australia.
    And completely cobalt-free batteries are very close.
    Annual supply of Cobalt is aroud 140,000 tonnes of which the DRC produces 95,000 tonnes 68% of world production. 

    Batteries consume 62% or about 74,000 tonnes of cobalt.

    I think you figures are a little out.

    And I haven't even mentioned the the changes in chemistry and dangers of reducing the cobalt content in Li batteries and replacing it with alternatives.
    All 74,000 tonnes is used in electric vehicle batteries?
    No, Li Batteries not necessarily EV.  The batteries are generally the same anyway either cells (similar to AA) or pouches.
    So when you challenged @BOWFER's statement that "less than 10% of cobalt mined is used in electric cars" with "Batteries consume 62% or about 74,000 tonnes of cobalt" you were making a strawman argument, because you couldn't actually dispute the statement? ;) 
    Jenni x
  • Grumpy_chap
    Grumpy_chap Posts: 18,314 Forumite
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    When will people realise it's miles traveled not what type of engine you have???
    Surely, it's both.

    First, reduce your mileage

    Second, do that mileage in the most efficient manner possible.

    10k miles per year at 4 mile/kWh (2,500 kWh) is better than 5k miles per year at 1.5 mile/kWh (3,333 kWh).

    Third, generate those kWh in the most efficient and lowest impact manner.
  • dipsomaniac
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    The richer you are the more miles you travel
    "The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
  • Jenni_D
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    The richer you are the more miles you travel
    HM the Queen travels more miles than an HGV driver? Who knew! ;) 
    Jenni x
  • dipsomaniac
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    edited 12 November 2021 at 8:11PM
    Not at 95 lol. The richer you are the more miles you travel
    "The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
  • Grumpy_chap
    Grumpy_chap Posts: 18,314 Forumite
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    Jenni_D said:
    HM the Queen travels more miles than an HGV driver? Who knew! ;) 



    The richer you are the more miles you travel
    How so?
  • dipsomaniac
    dipsomaniac Posts: 6,739 Forumite
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    Jenni_D said:
    HM the Queen travels more miles than an HGV driver? Who knew! ;) 



    The richer you are the more miles you travel
    How so?
    Don't think it needs explaining
    "The Holy Writ of Gloucester Rugby Club demands: first, that the forwards shall win the ball; second, that the forwards shall keep the ball; and third, the backs shall buy the beer." - Doug Ibbotson
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