How do ordinary people make the switch to electric vehicles ?

Grumpy_chap

Thesaltmustflow said:

Grumpy_chap said:

Thesaltmustflow said:

China and Russia not at the Cop(out) 26, the worlds biggest polluters

Are they?
Should "biggest polluters" be assessed in absolute terms or per-capita terms?
Obviously, both are important.

It's only what I've got from Sky news and the BBC, so it MUST be correct. 

Obviously 

Another consideration in counting carbon and assigning to nations is the possibility of double-counting and / or mis-allocation. 
If I buy a TV that was made in China, should the embedded CO2 be attributed to China or to UK?
What about the transport CO2 to get it to me?

fred990

What about lithium battery mining pollution? It's in the guardian so must be true (or partly) despite what the EV fanboys opinions say. 
I'll probably wait until the mining for these enormous batteries is both ethical and non polluting.

ontheroad1970

Thesaltmustflow said:

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ontheroad1970 said:

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fred990 said:

jimbo6977 said:

There are 3 things you can safely predict:

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. Flat roofs leak




The whole climate grift falls into category 2.

Precisely....our lot just want your money under the guise of being an electric car 'world leader' and heat pumps etc....ie manufacturing and jobs. Eighty private jets at Glasgow? 20+ car convoy too for one 'leader'.

When they start taking about population numbers someone let me know. 

I read somewhere it was 85 cars!!!!!!!

China and Russia not at the Cop(out) 26, the worlds biggest polluters, just sayin..............  

`i've heard this playground childish opinion too often.  "But Sir, he's doing turning the tap on and leaving it on, why can't I close the doors while half the class drowns?"  People need to grow up.  

If some people do something, then fewer people will be affected more slowly.  Sure Bozo is doing it because it is politically sensible, and the Yanks are just so arrogant and just don't think.  Doesn't mean that the rest of us shouldn't at least make a decent effort.

You're confusing opinion with facts, China and Russia ARE'NT there!!!!

I'm fully aware of that.  My point is that just because they aren't there (for political reasons), doesn't mean we should act like petulant children and do nothing.  Yet you think we should?  Those that think we should should stop being childish brats and grow a pair.

What makes you 'assume' I fall into the bracket of acting like a petulant child?

I merely pointed out the irony of 2 of the worlds biggest polluters are not at the 'emergency' climate summit, I have my own opinion on climate change in a modest way and I live in the hope that good people will do good things regarding it but I don't buy into the over inflated hysteria about it all that seems to currently be the favoured trend (by some)   

Did you miss the question mark?  That makes it a question, not a statement.  Hence the opposite of an assumption.  Looks like you're the one assuming.

Semantics?

Just another reason to add to the many reasons I don't post here often, too many people who 'actually' believe their opinions mean something or just have some sort of 'need' to feed their inferiority complex?.

Opinions are just opinions, everybody has one, where as facts well that's a bit different isn't it and facts don't care about feelings.

WE will go backwards if we simply do nothing because two nations won't play ball.  To say otherwise is to say that nothing should change and simply use those two nations as an excuse.

Herzlos

fred990 said:

What about lithium battery mining pollution? It's in the guardian so must be true (or partly) despite what the EV fanboys opinions say. 
I'll probably wait until the mining for these enormous batteries is both ethical and non polluting.

Do you have the same concern about the source of oil products, or any minerals used in production of everything or just when you want to try and bash electric cars? Sadly almost nothing is non polluting, but we can make things less polluting.

Would you rather be stuck in a closed garage with a diesel or an electric car?

Ergates

jimbo6977 said:

. "I have been predicting [the collapse of sea ice in summer months] for many years.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-collapse-sea-ice

How many times does someone e have to be (self admittedly) wrong before they cease to be an "expert"?

When someone is dying from terminal cancer and the doctors give them a week to live and they go on to survive another month, do you conclude that doctors don't know what they're talking about and that cancer isn't harmful?

Because you know someone who smoked heavily yet lived to be 90, do you conclude that smoking isn't bad for you?

Every piece of data we have shows the world is heating up and that the ice caps *are* melting.  Exact predictions of when they'll finally go aren't really the point.  We're already starting to see the consequences of climate change.

BOWFER

fred990 said:

What about lithium battery mining pollution? It's in the guardian so must be true (or partly) despite what the EV fanboys opinions say. 
I'll probably wait until the mining for these enormous batteries is both ethical and non polluting.

Classic whataboutery.
Anyway, car manufacturers are well aware lithium mining is far from ideal, hence the drive towards other methods like Lithium brine extraction etc.
If you're going to use these sorts of arguments against electric cars, surely you could try and keep up to date and use less tired points.

Jenni_D

Ergates said:

Every piece of data we have shows the world is heating up and that the ice caps *are* melting.  Exact predictions of when they'll finally go aren't really the point.  We're already starting to see the consequences of climate change.

Do we have sufficient data to show that this is due to mankind and that it is accelerated beyond natural variance, and not simply part of the Earth's natural cycle? (After all, nobody was taking temperature readings 10,000s of years ago for comparisons to be made).

Just playing Devil's Advocate - I personally believe mankind (humankind?) is aggravating the situation, and if we don't start making changes then the planet will let us know about it in a major way - eventually.

Ergates

Jenni_D said:

Ergates said:

Every piece of data we have shows the world is heating up and that the ice caps *are* melting.  Exact predictions of when they'll finally go aren't really the point.  We're already starting to see the consequences of climate change.

Do we have sufficient data to show that this is due to mankind and that it is accelerated beyond natural variance, and not simply part of the Earth's natural cycle? (After all, nobody was taking temperature readings 10,000s of years ago for comparisons to be made).

Just playing Devil's Advocate - I personally believe mankind (humankind?) is aggravating the situation, and if we don't start making changes then the planet will let us know about it in a major way - eventually.

Beyond all reasonable doubt - yes.

Herzlos

Jenni_D said:

Ergates said:

Every piece of data we have shows the world is heating up and that the ice caps *are* melting.  Exact predictions of when they'll finally go aren't really the point.  We're already starting to see the consequences of climate change.

Do we have sufficient data to show that this is due to mankind and that it is accelerated beyond natural variance, and not simply part of the Earth's natural cycle? (After all, nobody was taking temperature readings 10,000s of years ago for comparisons to be made).

Just playing Devil's Advocate - I personally believe mankind (humankind?) is aggravating the situation, and if we don't start making changes then the planet will let us know about it in a major way - eventually.

Does anyone believe we're *not* contributing to it? That all of the smoke we're pumping into the atmosphere is doing nothing? All of the litter along our coasts, waterways and in the sea?

motorguy

fred990 said:

What about lithium battery mining pollution? It's in the guardian so must be true (or partly) despite what the EV fanboys opinions say. 
I'll probably wait until the mining for these enormous batteries is both ethical and non polluting.

And happily use non-ethical and polluting oil production processes in the mean time?

Seems odd to take a moral high ground about one, but not the other?