How do ordinary people make the switch to electric vehicles ?

jimbo6977

Ergates said:

jimbo6977 said:

I'm not against electric cars. In fact I regularly drove an electric Saxo for work before most people knew there was such a thing as an electric Saxo. Electricity is perfectly capable of powering a car in an acceptable way. 

However, in terms of climate stuff, may I refer you to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm

From within the article you linked:

"In the end, it will just melt away quite suddenly. It might not be as early as 2013 but it will be soon, much earlier than 2040."

"My thinking on this is that 2030 is not an unreasonable date to be thinking of."

And later, to the BBC, Dr Serreze added: "I think Wieslaw is probably a little aggressive in his projections, simply because the luck of the draw means natural variability can kick in to give you a few years in which the ice loss is a little less than you've had in previous years. But Wieslaw is a smart guy and it would not surprise me if his projections came out."

So even at the time of saying that, the scientist involved, and at least 2 others went on record accepting 2013 was an aggressive estimate and that later - 2030-2040 would be more likely.  Which kind of undermines your point.  Maybe come back in another 10 years once 2030 has passed and we'll see then.

And another 10 years,and another 10 years,and....

fred990

jimbo6977 said:

I'm not against electric cars. In fact I regularly drove an electric Saxo for work before most people knew there was such a thing as an electric Saxo. Electricity is perfectly capable of powering a car in an acceptable way. 

However, in terms of climate stuff, may I refer you to:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/7139797.stm

I'm totally against electric cars apart from the Renault Twingo. I've yet to see one that fits in with the code red now or never emergency....? When you can only buy a small lightweight vehicle where only the drivetrain is powered I'll accept the governbankment and industry are serious. 

In the meantime it's tosh.

jimbo6977

. "I have been predicting [the collapse of sea ice in summer months] for many years.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2012/sep/17/arctic-collapse-sea-ice

How many times does someone e have to be (self admittedly) wrong before they cease to be an "expert"?

jimbo6977

Professor Wieslaw Maslowski from the Department of Oceanography of the US Navy predicted an ice-free Arctic Ocean by the summer of 2013.

Maslowski added that his prediction was on the conservative side, too: “Our projection of 2013 for the removal of ice in summer is not accounting for the last two minima, in 2005 and 2007. So given that fact, you can argue that may be our projection of 2013 is already too conservative.”

jimbo6977

There are 3 things you can safely predict:

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. Flat roofs leak




The whole climate grift falls into category 2.

ontheroad1970

For the dinosaurs, where is the harm in being more protective rather than find ourselves in a irreversible situation where millions die?  Would you let your child play on a wall with a 20 foot drop, because they probably  won't fall?

fred990

jimbo6977 said:

There are 3 things you can safely predict:

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. Flat roofs leak




The whole climate grift falls into category 2.

Precisely....our lot just want your money under the guise of being an electric car 'world leader' and heat pumps etc....ie manufacturing and jobs. Eighty private jets at Glasgow? 20+ car convoy too for one 'leader'.

When they start taking about population numbers someone let me know. 

MovingForwards

I can see where @henry24 and @JustAnotherSaver are coming from.

To plug in to a public charger it's £1.60, then 15p per kWh, it's not cost effective to keep paying the £1.60 each day, when I can fill my tank twice a month. I can't physically walk the distance from the PC to my flat, therefore I'd be sat in my car for however long it takes or catching the bus from / to, adding another expense to my outgoings.

For an EV to be viable for me I need it to consistently do 270 miles on one charge. Be fully charged within about 2 hours, maybe 3 at a push as I could get on with doing other things, or read / rest in the car. Not be PCP etc as an ongoing cost isn't for me, or within my monthly budget, I like to own my car. It also must be cheap as I buy runabouts. 

There are some of us where EV's are just not going to be an alternative option to keeping our petrol / diesel cars at this stage, maybe even for as long as we retain our licence / ability to drive.

Herzlos

ontheroad1970 said:

For the dinosaurs, where is the harm in being more protective rather than find ourselves in a irreversible situation where millions die?  Would you let your child play on a wall with a 20 foot drop, because they probably  won't fall?

I'm not even sure where the downside is; if climate change is right and we don't do something about it, the planet and our descendants kids are going to suffer. If climate change is wrong and we do something about it anyway, then the worst case is that we've made the place a little nicer?

It might cost us a little bit more money/time (even though it'll often save money/time, too), and there's pretty much no long term downside compared to pretty drastic downsides of ignoring it.

And like I mentioned earlier; we're going to run out of oil eventually in any case.

Thesaltmustflow

fred990 said:

jimbo6977 said:

There are 3 things you can safely predict:

1. Death

2. Taxes

3. Flat roofs leak




The whole climate grift falls into category 2.

Precisely....our lot just want your money under the guise of being an electric car 'world leader' and heat pumps etc....ie manufacturing and jobs. Eighty private jets at Glasgow? 20+ car convoy too for one 'leader'.

When they start taking about population numbers someone let me know. 

I read somewhere it was 85 cars!!!!!!!

China and Russia not at the Cop(out) 26, the worlds biggest polluters, just sayin..............