How do ordinary people make the switch to electric vehicles ?

henry24

Herzlos said:

henry24 said:

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

How often do you need to drive 600 miles with only a 5 minute break?

Not very often but I live just south of the humber Bridge and in the 7 months I've owned this car I've driven to Edinburgh, Bristol, Glasgow, all round North Wales and still my normal miles around 19000 in 7 months 

Grumpy_chap

MacPingu1986 said:

around 66% of car journeys in the UK are under 5 miles. Average trip distances are less than 10 miles. 

There really ought to be a big "re-education" programme so that these very short journeys are not by car as the default mode of transport.  Fine if it is a considered need (e.g. carrying stuff), but not when it is just a single person.  One of the big wins from lockdown has been the number of short journeys I would have driven now on foot - often just as quick, far more pleasant and relaxing, and you'd be amazed what you can see and hear when not driving.

henry24

BOWFER said:

henry24 said:

BOWFER said:

henry24 said:

Ergates said:

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Mine works great, thanks.

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

here we go....not only a climate change denier but one of the "I want to be able to drive 600 miles after 5 mins brigade"
Ignore button incoming.

Am I not allowed an opinion if it disagrees with yours. If my diesel car can fuel up in 5 minutes and then be capable of going 600 miles then why should I be told I now can't do this 

henry24

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

henry24 said:

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

EV's work perfectly fine.

Cost of entry the EV product is a challenge compared to ICE but, like-for-like, overall cost of ownership will usually work out competitive for the EV.

Range is also becoming far less of a concern now, to the extent that it should not be a limitation in anything but the extreme edge cases.
The best EV's have batteries at up to 100 kWh and that means 400 miles range.  If going further than that in a stint, then you'd need to stop for refreshment, so the energy top-up can be done at the same time and cause no inconvenience.

The EV will do that journey at an energy consumption of around 4 miles/kWh. 
An ICE would be an energy consumption of around 1.5 miles/kWh.

Perhaps you could tell me the electric vehicles with a 400 mile range that I can buy for £22000.

henry24

I'm not out to cause trouble here but I do think that if electric vehicles are so good why have they been forced on people, give people the choice 

ontheroad1970

henry24 said:

BOWFER said:

henry24 said:

Ergates said:

henry24 said:

What has happened to people being allowed a choice in what car they buy. I don't want an EV so in march I bought one of the last diesel mazda cx5 for £22000 instead of possibly 3 times that for electric. I can't believe in climate change until I see government stopping all flights. Its only 3 weeks since the country had to fire up a coal fired power station. I think when people realise how much they will have to pay for the climate they won't want to. Maybe it's time for someone to start a new political party to put another argument across like Nigel Fararge did 

Climate change and people like you are what happened.  You're entitled to not "believe" in climate change, in the same way that you're entitled to believe in fairies and unicorns, but that doesn't stop you from being very very wrong.

Nobody wants to pay for the necessary changes that we're going to have to make, but people in low-lying coastal areas probably don't want to be flooded either.  Nor do I expect those 180 odd people who died in Germany earlier this year were entirely happy about it.

Climate change is happening.  It's going to be bad and it's going to kill *millions* of people.  Waving your hands in the air wailing "But wut about muh choice?" isn't a good look.  Grow up.

When governments believe in climate change instead of just talking about it then I will. In my opinion it's just normal weather patterns warming up from an ice age and if you remember back only 25 years scientists where saying that's what we were going into. As I put before why did we go back to coal 3 weeks ago instead of turning the electric off, why are we bringing wood pellets from America to give us electricity and then claiming its green. I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

Mine works great, thanks.

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

Good luck getting 600 miles from a CX5 - from a fellow owner.  How often do you actually NEED 600 miles of range?  Besides which, if you are doing a 600 mile round trip, it would be unwise to do it all in one hit, so you will stop for a break at some point. 

ontheroad1970

I thought dinosaurs were extinct.  

henry24

But I can do it with a 5 minute fuel stop and still have miles left over how many stops would I need with a 100 mile electric vehicle 

BOWFER

Assuming he doesn't actually mean he wants to drive 600 miles in one go, he's then going at it from the convenience angle.
I.E. 600 miles allows him to only refill once a month or less.
Convenience was one of the biggest reasons for me getting one, doesn't get much more convenient than my own drive for refuelling.

Grumpy_chap

henry24 said:

Grumpy_chap said:

henry24 said:

I'm not against electric vehicles but think things should have stayed as they were until they worked and paying double for a car that will do a quarter of the miles per refill just isn't feasible for me 

henry24 said:

What I meant about until they worked is I want to be able to drive into a charging point and 5 minutes later drive away with 600 miles of driving available just like I can with my diesel 

EV's work perfectly fine.

Cost of entry the EV product is a challenge compared to ICE but, like-for-like, overall cost of ownership will usually work out competitive for the EV.

Range is also becoming far less of a concern now, to the extent that it should not be a limitation in anything but the extreme edge cases.
The best EV's have batteries at up to 100 kWh and that means 400 miles range.  If going further than that in a stint, then you'd need to stop for refreshment, so the energy top-up can be done at the same time and cause no inconvenience.

The EV will do that journey at an energy consumption of around 4 miles/kWh. 
An ICE would be an energy consumption of around 1.5 miles/kWh.

Perhaps you could tell me the electric vehicles with a 400 mile range that I can buy for £22000.

Where did I say you can?